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Israel Hacked Kaspersky, Then Tipped NSA Its Tools Had Been Breached

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Re: Israel Hacked Kaspersky, Then Tipped NSA Its Tools Had Been Breached

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Post by nannal »

apexalpha wrote: post #139

Our company uses the enterprise version of Kaspersky. But if we drop this over surveillance issues then it would be a pretty hypocritical to switch to AV software from the USA. Since they are proven to do the exact thing that Kaspersky is now suspected / blamed of doing. So, fellow Europeans, what now? Avast? Any other options? EDIT: Ok so I found a pretty useful Wiki list[1] with European made AV products. I haven't…

Hire a team from your native country to manually inspect each packet before it is passed on to the client machines.

This kind of Biological neural network isn't always the fastest approach but you can be sure it isn't forwarding all your traffic to the government.

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Post by pabloski »

adamnemecek wrote: post #92
throwaway613834 wrote: post #77

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You mean you can't even stand their mere existence even without ever actually touching any of their products? Note that I'm not asking why you're not installing their antivirus, I'm asking why you don't want them to exist ...

I don’t because they are collaborating with a fundamentally dictatorial gov’t.

Are you referring to the US Deep State? The one who has secret FISA courts and secret laws to protect the NSA?

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Post by varjag »

lawnchair_larry wrote: post #126
cheeze wrote: post #85

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why would they be done for? If they are basically funded by the FSB then they can't really die, no? Or is it more that it's over to them wrt running in the USA in general

They are not funded by the FSB. Not even Washington thinks that. They're a very successful multinational antivirus company, and they make one of the least bad products in that space.

Russian institutional and government contracts are their major revenue stream. There is about 0% chance for any Western company winning any of those, regardless their technical merits.

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Post by theyregreat »

apexalpha wrote: post #139

Our company uses the enterprise version of Kaspersky. But if we drop this over surveillance issues then it would be a pretty hypocritical to switch to AV software from the USA. Since they are proven to do the exact thing that Kaspersky is now suspected / blamed of doing. So, fellow Europeans, what now? Avast? Any other options? EDIT: Ok so I found a pretty useful Wiki list[1] with European made AV products. I haven't…

Filter on the benchmarks and then dig into ownership and reputation. Bigger vendors have more to lose and more resources to fight legal and cybersecurity issues. Too big / multinational vendors then get leaned-on by national security services with an “include this and give us customer information or we blacklist you” offer.

https://www.av-comparatives.org/

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Post by borispavlovic »

yters wrote: post #125
carvalho wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Way down this thread, so time to ask the question: Do American anti-virus, social media, and search companies do exactly the same, but for the US military? I've always found it suspicious that Russia and China created their own social networks, email providers, and search engines. Almost like they know the power of a capable search engine or social network for intelligence gathering purposes. Google and US anti-virus…

Facebook has CIA related people on its board.

Really? Which ones?

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Post by jonathanstrange »

_m96l wrote: post #34

Kaspersky has been known to collaborate with the Russian government and promote Russian interest. They've actively pursued state actors that are hostile to Russian interest, for example The Equation Group ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Equation_Group ), which wouldn't be an organic part of the function or activities of a normal civilian cyber-security company. Such an "innocent" company would have no reason to get i…

Well, it makes perfect sense to use Kaspersky then, if you're worried about the NSA. If you're more worried about Russian industrial espionage, on the other hand, e.g. as a US company with trade-secrets, you should probably better go with a US product.

For most private citizens that aren't of particular interest to the Russian government (e.g. aren't politicians, activists, dissidents), Kaspersky seems like an excellent choice.

Every AV product will be defeated by a targeted attack anyway.

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Post by jannes »

PeterStuer wrote: post #122
carvalho wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Way down this thread, so time to ask the question: Do American anti-virus, social media, and search companies do exactly the same, but for the US military? I've always found it suspicious that Russia and China created their own social networks, email providers, and search engines. Almost like they know the power of a capable search engine or social network for intelligence gathering purposes. Google and US anti-virus…

'I've always found it suspicious that Russia and China created their own social networks, email providers, and search engines. Almost like they know the power of a capable search engine or social network for intelligence gathering purposes.' Seems like the Europeans are the only ones stupid enough not to.

Europeans had a few. There was StudiVZ in Germany and tuenti in Spain.

Once Facebook arrived with localised versions on the European market it destroyed all of the clones. Talk about network effects.

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Post by dnh44 »

apexalpha wrote: post #139

Our company uses the enterprise version of Kaspersky. But if we drop this over surveillance issues then it would be a pretty hypocritical to switch to AV software from the USA. Since they are proven to do the exact thing that Kaspersky is now suspected / blamed of doing. So, fellow Europeans, what now? Avast? Any other options? EDIT: Ok so I found a pretty useful Wiki list[1] with European made AV products. I haven't…

Of those, all but Finland are NATO members.

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Post by foxhedgehog »

AtlasLion wrote: post #100
foxhedgehog wrote: post #88

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As a Ukrainian Jew, the idea that Russia doesn't act as, if not more, ruthlessly than the U.S. is pretty laughable.

As an Arab Muslim, the idea that the US is any better is laughable.

You must not live in Afghanistan.

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Post by foxhedgehog »

Synaesthesia wrote: post #115
foxhedgehog wrote: post #88

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As a Ukrainian Jew, the idea that Russia doesn't act as, if not more, ruthlessly than the U.S. is pretty laughable.

The Soviet Union committed far worse crimes up to the 1950’s. The US did far worse (Vietnam, Iraq, many other wars) since WW2.

The Russian government is presently bombing hospitals in Syria.
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