Live data from Hacker News

Israel Hacked Kaspersky, Then Tipped NSA Its Tools Had Been Breached

washingtonpost.com

41–50 of 298 posts

Re: Israel Hacked Kaspersky, Then Tipped NSA Its Tools Had Been Breached

#41

Note that Windows Defender also uploads files on scans which is opt out.

All the mainstream endpoint protection software does this, so if you're going to run it at all --- don't --- you're going to have to pick which company you trust not to do what Kaspersky apparently did.

Re: Israel Hacked Kaspersky, Then Tipped NSA Its Tools Had Been Breached

#42
post #34

Kaspersky has been known to collaborate with the Russian government and promote Russian interest. They've actively pursued state actors that are hostile to Russian interest, for example The Equation Group ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Equation_Group ), which wouldn't be an organic part of the function or activities of a normal civilian cyber-security company. Such an "innocent" company would have no reason to get i…

Way down this thread, so time to ask the question: Do American anti-virus, social media, and search companies do exactly the same, but for the US military?

I've always found it suspicious that Russia and China created their own social networks, email providers, and search engines. Almost like they know the power of a capable search engine or social network for intelligence gathering purposes.

Google and US anti-virus companies must work closely with the NSA too.

> Kuok repeatedly expressed fears that he might be dealing with an NSA, CIA or FBI agent, but continued to negotiate with the undercover officer, even cautioning him to avoid referencing the items by model number in e-mail, because "your country has this system to analyze" e-mail for keywords.

https://www.wired.com/2010/05/kuok

Also after the "theft" and premature release of Stuxnet by Israel, I wonder how strong the collaboration between the US and Israel is.

> A 43-year-old former Akamai employee has pleaded guilty to espionage charges after offering to hand over confidential information about the Web acceleration company to an agent posing as an Israeli consular official in Boston.

https://www.pcworld.com/article/239187/akamai_employee_tried...

> Facebook, for example, previously announced its DeepFace facial recognition system is capable of determining with 97 percent accuracy whether two images are of the same person. The company, which itself is accustomed to criticism that it views users as guinea pigs, is able is make such accurate identifications because of the network of images from which it draws, something that could take police agencies a decade or more to build up.

Snowden worked for Dell as a cover for his intelligence work. Russia told their military to move off Linkedin the moment it got acquired by Microsoft. Do Dell and Microsoft work closely with the DoD and should this concern non-US citizens that rely on their software and hardware?

https://techcrunch.com/2016/08/15/mapping-israels-marketing-...

Re: Israel Hacked Kaspersky, Then Tipped NSA Its Tools Had Been Breached

#43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There's no realistic spin for Kaspersky for anyone who wants to protect their data from the Russian government. True or not, the reputational damage is complete.

"Israeli government hackers saw something suspicious in the computers of a Moscow-based cybersecurity firm: hacking tools that could only have come from the National Security Agency". The Israelis seem to be able to poke around on other people's servers whenever they want....

I think that is the message being missed. They are poking around American servers as well. Future problem I guess.

Re: Israel Hacked Kaspersky, Then Tipped NSA Its Tools Had Been Breached

#44
post #34

Kaspersky has been known to collaborate with the Russian government and promote Russian interest. They've actively pursued state actors that are hostile to Russian interest, for example The Equation Group ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Equation_Group ), which wouldn't be an organic part of the function or activities of a normal civilian cyber-security company. Such an "innocent" company would have no reason to get i…

Way down this thread, so time to ask the question: Do American anti-virus, social media, and search companies do exactly the same, but for the US military? I've always found it suspicious that Russia and China created their own social networks, email providers, and search engines. Almost like they know the power of a capable search engine or social network for intelligence gathering purposes. Google and US anti-virus…

> Do American anti-virus, social media, and search companies do exactly the same, but for the US military?

Doubtful. Keep in mind that in Russia / China the state has a lot more leverage against commercial companies. It's very easy for the state to effectively shut any non-complying company, not to mention far worse (Russia and China have thrown businessowners into jail for no reason before).

> Almost like they know the power of a capable search engine or social network for intelligence gathering purposes.

Absolutely, the typical pattern is that some dominant foreign provider refuses to comply with say, Chinese Firewall rules, so the Chinese block it and instate a friendly domestic provider instead.

Re: Israel Hacked Kaspersky, Then Tipped NSA Its Tools Had Been Breached

#45
At this point you just assume that any sufficiently large company based in Russia with capabilities of misusing their power in a way to profit Russian state government will be coerced into doing so or go out of business at some point. Russian thugs have no issues applying pressure till the victim collapses or agrees to cooperate even against their interests. I lived in Russia for 25 years and I saw that happen many times.

Re: Israel Hacked Kaspersky, Then Tipped NSA Its Tools Had Been Breached

#46
post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The company. The man will be fine.

Tell that to McAfee

What about McAfee? He divested from the software/company shortly after it was created. He has a colorful personal life, but I doubt that has much of anything to do with the software that he hasn't been involved with for a around 2 decades.

(Other than the software made him rich/a minor celebrity.)

Re: Israel Hacked Kaspersky, Then Tipped NSA Its Tools Had Been Breached

#47
post #2

So, if I understand this right... some NSA TAO employee was doing work on their home computer (???), where they installed Kaspersky AV (reasonable), and Kaspersky promptly identified the malware they were working on as malware and uploaded it? And then Israel hacked Kaspersky 'cause that's what they do or something, found the NSA development malware, and was like "Hey NSA, you should figure out how this got here"? Th…

No, it's strictly forbidden to access classified information from an unclassified machine. I'm not saying it didn't doesn't happen, I'm saying it's highly against protocol (and the law).

Re: Israel Hacked Kaspersky, Then Tipped NSA Its Tools Had Been Breached

#49
Kaspersky Finds New Nation-State Attack—In Its Own Network

https://www.wired.com/2015/06/kaspersky-finds-new-nation-sta...

"There was one victim, however, that didn't fit the profile of other targets. Raiu says this was an international gathering for the 70th anniversary of the liberation of the Auschwitz-Birkenau concentration camps"

"But perhaps the most interesting targets were the venues hosting the P5+1 meetings. P5+1 refers to the five permanent members of the UN Security Council plus Germany, who have been in negotiations with Iran over its nuclear activities."

Post reply on HN