Live data from Hacker News

First detection of the missing half of normal matter in our universe

newscientist.com

71–80 of 131 posts

Re: First detection of the missing half of normal matter in our universe

#71

Does this mean the universe is more weird or less weird than we thought?

Less weird. A large amount of the missing matter, but not all lot it, has been observed where it was theorized. The issue was we've not had reliable ways to measure that specific matter in the area it is

Re: First detection of the missing half of normal matter in our universe

#72
post #64

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why should vacuum expand? Is it due to gravity of the filament molecules pulling those molecules together into larger 'strings' or 'planes' which leave 'holes'? Or some other mechanism?

The universe expands. Things bound by gravity tend not to expand that much. As a result, most of the space that expands is vacuum.

Makes sense now, thank you!

Re: First detection of the missing half of normal matter in our universe

#73
post #66

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No, this has nothing to do with dark matter. Dark matter has to be in galaxies because the reason we think it exists at all is because galaxies spin 'too fast', so there is more mass in them and therefore more gravity than can be accounted for. This article is talking about gas between galaxies.

Isn't it more probable that the formulars to calculate the spin are wrong?

That's a theory called Modified Newton Dynamics (MOND).

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Modified_Newtonian_dynamics

Re: First detection of the missing half of normal matter in our universe

#74

Can I just check - my understanding is that we can only see 5% of the expected mass in the universe - so we have just found another 5%? meaning dark matter needs to account for 90%? plus, how awesomely beautiful is the idea of tendrils of has connecting the galaxies through space.

I too love the idea of there being filaments of matter connecting distant galaxies. I can only imagine the artistic renderings will make the universe look like a neural network. Can anyone clarify how these filaments remain “hot”?

> I too love the idea of there being filaments of matter connecting distant galaxies. I can only imagine the artistic renderings will make the universe look like a neural network.

There are lots of "cosmic web" renderings from large-scale cosmological simulations of dark mater and the formation of structure in the universe. A major one, now over a decade old is the "Millennium Simulation": http://wwwmpa.mpa-garching.mpg.de/galform/millennium/

Re: First detection of the missing half of normal matter in our universe

#75
post #68

The title is effectively click-bait because of: https://www.reddit.com/r/space/comments/75944s/half_the_univ...

We should assume by default that every headline is clickbait now, unfortunately this is the business model of the internet. It's not good for accuracy and most articles are just a headline and some inane filler up words. I hope we'll smart up and find a better model for news soon. :/

We could pay for it like we did for the hundreds of years prior to the internet, but they'll still make-up eye-grabbing headlines.

Re: First detection of the missing half of normal matter in our universe

#76

Earlier quoted context omitted.

EDIT: My understanding is incorrect. See the replies to the post for a correction. No. They're saying that 50% of the "dark matter" isn't dark, it's just regular matter that we weren't able to see. The density of this stuff (filaments of gas stretching between galaxies) is so low that it is really, really, really hard to detect. "Dark matter" theories posit that the missing matter isn't just regular matter that's har…

No, this has nothing to do with dark matter. Dark matter has to be in galaxies because the reason we think it exists at all is because galaxies spin 'too fast', so there is more mass in them and therefore more gravity than can be accounted for. This article is talking about gas between galaxies.

But we know they "spin too fast", by measuring the amount of observable matter and then measuring the "rotation curve" of the galaxy. However, the basic point that this is not half the dark matter, is correct, (based on our current understanding). Even if we can't see ordinary matter, we should be able to see its effect in some way other than gravitational interaction. Dark matter is only seen by its gravitational interaction. It doesn't interact electromagnetically.

Re: First detection of the missing half of normal matter in our universe

#77
post #66

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Isn't it more probable that the formulars to calculate the spin are wrong?

That's a theory called Modified Newton Dynamics (MOND). https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Modified_Newtonian_dynamics

This theory (when appropriately hacked) describes rotation curves of galaxies extremely well. Unfortunately it doesn't work at larger scales. There are many nice videos on YouTube by Sean Carroll on MOND, which explain it's limits, albeit for the fairly educated layperson.

Re: First detection of the missing half of normal matter in our universe

#79
"Both teams took advantage of a phenomenon called the Sunyaev-Zel’dovich effect that occurs when light left over from the big bang passes through hot gas."

That just seems unreal to me.

Edit: To clarify, I'm not accusing it of being made up. I just think it's amazing.

Re: First detection of the missing half of normal matter in our universe

#80
post #66

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No, this has nothing to do with dark matter. Dark matter has to be in galaxies because the reason we think it exists at all is because galaxies spin 'too fast', so there is more mass in them and therefore more gravity than can be accounted for. This article is talking about gas between galaxies.

Isn't it more probable that the formulars to calculate the spin are wrong?

Its possible but there is a lot of indirect evidence for dark matter, it fits observation well even if we cant prove it. When gravity calculations give an answer that conflicts with observation, sometimes the equation for gravity ends up being wrong (orbit of mercury) and sometimes you find missing mass (discovery of neptune). I don't know what more probable means in this context, the experts are at least as smart as you and me, they favor some kind of missing mass.
Post reply on HN