Wow. This is sad. Not surprising though.
I'm disappointed that we're now stick with a mediocre duopoly of OSs now.
Microsoft gives up on Windows 10 Mobile
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#272Earlier quoted context omitted.
It's also just such a bad idea because they never get to mature their features, add uniqueness or allow 3rd party devs to build the ecosystem. They just build the same thing over and over again while their competitors keep refining, innovating and adding features. Really a bound to fail strategy
Exactly that. The feedback loop is shit as well. Out falls a broken pile of shit for a CTP. No one accepts any feedback. It hits RTM, no one accepts any feedback. Two years down the line, the same bugs are open. You should hear the partner reps wanting to cry when you report a bug in something that you NEED a fix for and are paying support for. You get fuck all other than a registry fix or a hack even if the mainline…
From the second ticket
> It's only a matter of time before some enterprising journalist looking for a scoop picks up on this. The headlines here are not good: "Microsoft caught with sneaky program to spy on companies"
Let me take care of that...
Edit: Wrote several of germanys biggest tech sites with focus on dataprotection aswell as the german ministry for cyber security with a link to that ticket. Let's see what happens
Re: Microsoft gives up on Windows 10 Mobile
#273Earlier quoted context omitted.
If a Ubuntu in 2017 isn't user friendly I really don't know what that phrase is even supposed to mean.
I lost access to my netbook $HOME, when Ubuntu just refused to acknowledge the existence the file system after freezing in X. It required a boot direct into the GRUB root console and running fsck from there. Not something that regular macOS and Windows users expect as user friendly.
I've helped people who lost access to their Windows 7 home directory. It didn't mean they ended up in commandline mode, but it meant their home folder was recreated from scratch. Many things didn't work anymore.
I bet 99% of Windows users can't solve that by themselves. I don't see any difference with your problem.
The problem you describe is bad as you can't use the computer at all, while my problem created a false illusion that the home folder was OK as it was still there. That the old one was renamed, made invisible, and then the new one got the old name - didn't help at all.
Re: Microsoft gives up on Windows 10 Mobile
#274One cool move on Microsoft's part can be releasing Microsoft's version of Android. The main problem is Google Play Services. But since MS almost has parallel offerings for all Google Services they can create an "API" compatible version of Google Play services. This way users will be able to install all the current Android applications which are available on Play Store. This can convert Android into an Oligopoly inste…
Why would anyone bother with a copy of android when the original just works? it makes no sense. Microsoft strategy was just bad. It tried to copy the iPhone when it should have tried to copy its own strategy on PC, which is creating a OS and letting other companies build Windows Phones. The only person who got something out of the Nokia deal is Elop, which is curiously similar to how bad Macromedia/Adobe deal was. Wh…
I don't know that the Macromedia deal was all that bad.
While there are few, if any, surviving remnants of Macromedia software within Adobe, the acquisition of Macromedia both eliminated its most serious competitor and provided an influx of engineering talent.
Using stock price as a surrogate for overall performance, they went from ~$35 at the time of the acquisition to ~$155 today, with annual net income rising from $600M to $1.6B today.
Re: Microsoft gives up on Windows 10 Mobile
#275Earlier quoted context omitted.
Its a free market, and the market has spoken. I think its the right strategy for MS to accept that the market is just not going to accommodate yet another mobile ecosystem. And its not for lack of trying: they've been trying for over a decade now to break into the mobile OS market. They had tablets running a version of Windows much before iPad; they had "Smartphones" running windows much before 2007. There's gotta be…
I only see a value on .NET apps on Android for those companies planning to do both iOS and Android, or re-using existing .NET code. For those just targeting Android, specially given the global market share, they are better off with plain Java/Kotlin + NDK, than adding yet another layer to debug and extra APK size.
".NET apps on Android/iOS" are actually a very popular thing - the framework is just named Xamarin instead of .NET.
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#276Earlier quoted context omitted.
And then those MBA types are wondering why their "business strategy" is not working. The same applies to the Windows Store on Desktop. All that walled garden nonsense they are trying to impose is not going to work. The only thing I could seriously recommend to those clerks is to eat their neckties and finally become living human beings.
> All that walled garden nonsense they are trying to impose is not going to work It seems to "work" for Apple, unfortunately. I can't see any business giving up on the prospect of having a 30% cut of everyone else's software ...
Not in the recent years. Apple Store on Mac suffered from a massive app makers exodus. App Store for mobile suffers from rampant freemium-ization. Don't forget about the heaps of legacy, no longer updated paid apps. Apple was able to sniff that smoke, so it made a lot of App Store improvements together with iPhone 8 release.
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#277I see a lot of people going on about incentives. Actually the simple problem is that MSFT know how to effectively fuck up a product: 1. Schizophrenic product direction. 2. Entire platform change half way through. 3. Quality control issues galore. 4. Regional issues galore. 5. Reinventing wheels, badly. It's just crap. That's happening to windows 10 too. It's just not quite as far down the toilet.
I think part of the problem is that they actually try to push innovation (e.g. new UI paradigms with Metro), but then run into several vocal minorities, backtrack a bit and try to find a middle ground. From the outside, it then looks like a random zig-zag course, but it's much more an iterative minimization of "mean square pain" among their fairly large user base. Communication could often be better though.
I think it's more that they hire personalities and form personality cults. Personality cults can't be seen to fail by investors due to the CYA culture so they just burn off a cliff and explode when they hit the bottom of the ravine.
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#278Earlier quoted context omitted.
Your post and his comment do not contradict one another. Or rather, your interpretation of the data in that post is shaky. Consistent with the data presented in that post: -I download lots of one-time-use apps. They're useful, and I won't use a phone without them, and then uninstall them in a week (eg, city specific apps when traveling) - I download lots of special use apps that contribute few app-hours most of the t…
In your comment there are many uses of I . But that isn't how other people generally use their phones - if you can be bothered to look at any data.
It seems pretty clear you skimmed my post without reading it (since I bookended it start and finish with the central assertion that the data you presented is consistent with the use case I described.)
If you want to edit your comment to take it in a more fruitful direction, no one will hold it against you. You're not the first person to skim a long post.
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#279I was working in Microsoft about 5 years ago and Satya's not lying when they say they tried everything to incentivise app developers. It was a big focus of the company at the time. For keystone apps they tried to partner with developers doing most of the work for them. For more niche apps they ran promotions for students and independent developers giving away free phones etc. But nothing was enough to get over the pr…
If you really want to build a platform and developers didn't come you should build part of the software youself or pay third parties.
That was Apple's strategy. They built some really great Mac OS X apps when they were the underdog, and offered them for free with the hardware. They also built (and bought) some great Pro apps which attracted a ton of customers. The iLife suite and even the iWork suite to some extent (I loved Keynote in college) were essential to me making the switch.
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#280Earlier quoted context omitted.
They threw about $500k at my employer at the time to hire some Eastern European company to build an app. They ended up stringing something together that got deployed on like 10 phones. The problem was that a big enterprise customer is clueless about mobile apps, and Microsft’s endemic NIH syndrome made it difficult to work with business systems that aren’t Microsoft platforms. O365 is a great example... the office pl…
Outlook+Exchange is really the thing keeping Microsoft alive.
For now. Some of the younger people aren't having any of that shit these days.