Sad. I used to a have a Nokia 1520 and it was a great phone. However, there were a few things that eventually just made me switch to an iPhone.
Microsoft gives up on Windows 10 Mobile
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Re: Microsoft gives up on Windows 10 Mobile
#152Earlier quoted context omitted.
I was going to chime in a little on it being a stretch. One of the promotions for students they did was near the summer of 2012 or 2013. The promotion was you got paid 100 dollars for every app published on the Microsoft store limit 5 for the mobile store and 5 for the regular store. So a total limit of $1000. My school actually had a Microsoft rep run a workshop over a weekend showing students how to publish an app…
Did everything they could... Ah, yes. $100 per app. I'm sure that's what most apps cost to produce. /s It seems like they did a few things, but never actually, you know, paid app developers to build out their ecosystem.
Hey, if you're optimizing for "number of apps on our store" I bet it worked great!
Why spend $100,000 developing something one app when you could get 1000 for the same price?!
Re: Microsoft gives up on Windows 10 Mobile
#153Earlier quoted context omitted.
Your post and his comment do not contradict one another. Or rather, your interpretation of the data in that post is shaky. Consistent with the data presented in that post: -I download lots of one-time-use apps. They're useful, and I won't use a phone without them, and then uninstall them in a week (eg, city specific apps when traveling) - I download lots of special use apps that contribute few app-hours most of the t…
In your comment there are many uses of I . But that isn't how other people generally use their phones - if you can be bothered to look at any data.
The point is that his use is entirely consistent with the data yet you assume it somehow is not
Re: Microsoft gives up on Windows 10 Mobile
#154Earlier quoted context omitted.
WeChat has done that to some degree. Given that WeChat is basically a platform at this point, one could imagine a WeChat phone coming out in china, bypassing Android completely. Not sure what would be the point though.
A wechat phone would be obvious and I don't know why they don't do it. Remember that Google play and all the other play services are not available in China.
Because not having Play Store != not running Android apps. People's games and other apps still need Android to run. A non-Android Wechat phone would fail for the same reason Windows phones did -- no apps.
Re: Microsoft gives up on Windows 10 Mobile
#155I don't think the problem was primarily the lack of apps but a major reason to use Windows mobile. With iOS you get the high end hardware and deep integration with Apple's ecosystem. With Android you get deep integration with Google's services and a wide range of devices in prices and features. What did you get with Windows mobile?
> What did you get with Windows mobile?
From a consumer point of view, not much.
There's a lot there for businesses though. If you employ a bunch of .Net developers for your in-house applications, Windows Mobile is a pretty natural way get a mobile app developed.
Re: Microsoft gives up on Windows 10 Mobile
#156I was working in Microsoft about 5 years ago and Satya's not lying when they say they tried everything to incentivise app developers. It was a big focus of the company at the time. For keystone apps they tried to partner with developers doing most of the work for them. For more niche apps they ran promotions for students and independent developers giving away free phones etc. But nothing was enough to get over the pr…
The problem with windows phone / mobile is not the apps. It was Microsoft.
When Apple launches an Phone, it’s avaliable world wide. When Microsoft launches a phone, it’s avaliable in America.
My last windows phone was a Lumia 925, the last Lumia announced I waited 7 months for it to reach singapore before throwing in the towel and going android.
There were no phones avaliable outside America, uk, Australia.
Now I use iPhone. I have no sympathy for Microsoft in regards to it’s phone biz because it didn’t try to break the market.
Re: Microsoft gives up on Windows 10 Mobile
#157Earlier quoted context omitted.
Windows is extremely well sunk into the enterprise market, and neither Linux nor Mac are at all focusing sufficiently on it to displace them. Linux isn't user friendly enough, and Mac's support policy is a complete no go for enterprise.
If a Ubuntu in 2017 isn't user friendly I really don't know what that phrase is even supposed to mean.
The unfortunate reality is that the most friendly thing one can do for users is never ask them to change.
Re: Microsoft gives up on Windows 10 Mobile
#158I was working in Microsoft about 5 years ago and Satya's not lying when they say they tried everything to incentivise app developers. It was a big focus of the company at the time. For keystone apps they tried to partner with developers doing most of the work for them. For more niche apps they ran promotions for students and independent developers giving away free phones etc. But nothing was enough to get over the pr…
>For more niche apps they ran promotions for students and independent developers giving away free phones etc. But nothing was enough to get over the problem of the lack of an initial user base.
Re: Microsoft gives up on Windows 10 Mobile
#159While WM was clunky at least you could run any random piece of software you wanted. Then Microsoft tried to copy apple. I think if they had put a relatively open OS and sold highend phones for $200-300 bucks I think they could have made it. They probably would have had to sink billions and billions, but they could have done it. Look at Xbox its viable platform today.
You can sideload applications in Windows 10 mobile easily enough. Like Android it's been on by default for some time and just a matter of downloading an .appx package file. The ability to sideload doesn't help if there aren't apps to sideload.
I don't think the problem was ever the openness of the platform. An open platform doesn't guarantee developers either (look at decades of people not support Linux ports of their applications as an obvious example).
Re: Microsoft gives up on Windows 10 Mobile
#160Earlier quoted context omitted.
Windows is extremely well sunk into the enterprise market, and neither Linux nor Mac are at all focusing sufficiently on it to displace them. Linux isn't user friendly enough, and Mac's support policy is a complete no go for enterprise.
If a Ubuntu in 2017 isn't user friendly I really don't know what that phrase is even supposed to mean.
As someone that only works on linux systems....
The state of Linux is not great. We still can't get the basics like sound, wifi, etc out of the box. I get why it's a problem, and it's generally not the fault of Linux devs, but it's still a problem that turns people away.
I really want to see Linux take over on the desktop, but turning a blind eye to our problems is a poor way to do it.