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Re: Debian 9.2 released

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Post by mejin »

jstimpfle wrote: post #15

On a tangential note, I don't like how I get served the German version of the site with no obvious way to get the "canonical" one. And then I hate realizing how hard it is to combine support of multiple languages and still making everything transparent and accessible. And also, what a huge effort it is to translate pages to different languages while (I think) almost everyone wants to read the English version.

I don't mind that do much. What does really bother me is when I am on vacation and using incognito or another computer and all Google sites redirect me to the other countries one. Most of the time the only way to change to English is by logging in. Their capchas are even in the local language, making it really difficult for me to do what they want.

Re: Debian 9.2 released

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Post by squarefoot »

JosephRedfern wrote: post #28
jstimpfle wrote: post #15

On a tangential note, I don't like how I get served the German version of the site with no obvious way to get the "canonical" one. And then I hate realizing how hard it is to combine support of multiple languages and still making everything transparent and accessible. And also, what a huge effort it is to translate pages to different languages while (I think) almost everyone wants to read the English version.

A huge effort, yes -- but probably worthwhile. You might be surprised about the number of non-english speakers; I know I was when visiting Italy and Portugal this summer (especially Italy). I suspect that we tend to live in "language bubbles".

"You might be surprised about the number of non-english speakers; I know I was when visiting Italy and Portugal this summer (especially Italy)."

As an Italian I have to agree with you; for us old timers it wasn't easy as English didn't become the official 2nd language over here until some decades ago. Both my parents and most relatives as an example knew some French but next to no English, so I had to learn it for myself. Luckily newer generations are getting much better integrated with the rest of the world language-wise; should you visit Italy again and need directions, asking to people in their 20s or 30s will probably be more effective.

Re: Debian 9.2 released

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Post by squarefoot »

jlgaddis wrote: post #9
badminton1 wrote: post #5

A curious fact is that Debian name their releases after Toy Story characters. Debian experimental is permanently named "sid" (the kid that breaks toys) and "stretch" (Debian 9) is a rubber octopus from Toy Story 3. https://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/project-history/ch-releas... https://wiki.debian.org/DebianUnstable#Which_Toy_Story_chara... Other curious fact about Debian, is that there are 2 logos: the open use one,…

sid == unstable

For years I thought that the unstable release was named like that as a reference to Sid Vicious.

Re: Debian 9.2 released

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Post by sergiosgc »

gear54rus wrote: post #7
staticelf wrote: post #4

When I run linux on servers, I always choose Debian. It is the best distro IMO. Glad to see that the project is still going as strong as ever!

As someone who has been choosing CentOS for the same purpose, what would be some reasons for me to switch off the top of your head?

I switched from CentOS to Debian on servers three years ago. I'd give two reasons:

1) No need for EPEL and similar extra repositories. Debian is extremely comprehensive.

2) Rolling updates. We keep some servers in the stable release, some in the testing release. No hiccups on upgrade, yet.

Servers you keep on the stable channel will go through the same kind of upgrades you see on major CentOS versions. I never had a CentOS upgrade go smoothly; We'd usually just reinstall everything from config management. When Debian 8 came out, we opted for a distro-upgrade and everything was perfectly smooth. It took longer to go through change management (cycle out of production, test, slowly reapply load) than it took to actually upgrade the servers.

The servers we keep on testing are non-critical, and go through much more frequent distro-upgrade cycles. We had a couple bumps on the road, during the sysv init to systemd transition, but overall I still classify the distro as extremely solid and much better than our previous experience with CentOS.

Re: Debian 9.2 released

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Post by fifnir »

raimue wrote: post #37
chungy wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's how the web is supposed to work. If you prefer English versions of pages, go into your browser configuration and tell it to prefer English.

I usually prefer English for anything related to development, software engineering, and computers in general. I also run my user interface in English, as it is much easier to search for error messages that way. However, when visiting websites of local places such as restaurants, I prefer the German version and not the one in English meant for tourists. While third-party extensions allow to switch Accept-Language, it…

And it is even worse for expats.

There's many sites that force the local language down your throat and it's sooooo annoying...

Re: Debian 9.2 released

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Post by [deleted] »

kk_cz wrote: post #30
jstimpfle wrote: post #15

On a tangential note, I don't like how I get served the German version of the site with no obvious way to get the "canonical" one. And then I hate realizing how hard it is to combine support of multiple languages and still making everything transparent and accessible. And also, what a huge effort it is to translate pages to different languages while (I think) almost everyone wants to read the English version.

This is determined by the settings in your browser. If you don't like getting German version as default, then change your browser config. Not only you have links to different languages in the bottom of the site, you can even find a link to document describing how the standards works and how to change the settings in bunch of different browsers: https://www.debian.org/intro/cn

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Re: Debian 9.2 released

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Post by isostatic »

StudentStuff wrote: post #46
pcnix wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ubuntu is debian based, and works on .deb packages. Just nitpicking, nothing else to add.

Yeah, if it didn't get wrecked every other upgrade, I'd probably still be on Ubuntu. But talking to the Ubuntu Washington people this past weekend, its still an ongoing problem. Comparatively, here I am running Stretch when I started with Wheezy years ago!

On the server the only upgrade issues I've had are things like apache configs breaking when moving from 2.2 to 2.4, or php (from 5 to 7), which happened when upgrading 14.04->16.04. Not sure how redhat/centos/etc would have prevented that.

Likewise a few of our custom system management packages need tweaking when new versions come out, but aside from that no problems with 1200+ servers.

Re: Debian 9.2 released

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Post by vbezhenar »

marindez wrote: post #8
gear54rus wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As someone who has been choosing CentOS for the same purpose, what would be some reasons for me to switch off the top of your head?

As someone who hasn't used CentOS much, when I've had to use it I've found the package selection (packages/versions) to be lacking, requiring me to use one of the countless 3rd party repos that may or may not contain what I need

EPEL is a must. Also I'm using official nginx and postgres repositories for latest releases. Never used other repositories.

Re: Debian 9.2 released

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Post by AnthonBerg »

pcnix wrote: post #36
staticelf wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Can't really come up with any reason, if you're happy with CentOS you should probably keep using CentOS. I just started out with Ubuntu but realised that Debian seems to have more control over their packages and have a much more stable ecosystem which I value. Also .deb packages always seem to be available for basically any software distributed for linux and why make life hard?

Ubuntu is debian based, and works on .deb packages. Just nitpicking, nothing else to add.

This is true! I wish to add that in my experience (years of use of both), I have found that Ubuntu is significantly lower quality and less stable than Debian. In other words, they squander some of the reliability they could inherit from Debian.

Re: Debian 9.2 released

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Post by __s »

isostatic wrote: post #57
StudentStuff wrote: post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah, if it didn't get wrecked every other upgrade, I'd probably still be on Ubuntu. But talking to the Ubuntu Washington people this past weekend, its still an ongoing problem. Comparatively, here I am running Stretch when I started with Wheezy years ago!

On the server the only upgrade issues I've had are things like apache configs breaking when moving from 2.2 to 2.4, or php (from 5 to 7), which happened when upgrading 14.04->16.04. Not sure how redhat/centos/etc would have prevented that. Likewise a few of our custom system management packages need tweaking when new versions come out, but aside from that no problems with 1200+ servers.

Prevents PHP upgrade issues by not forcing that alongside the distro upgrade. Have php5 & php7 packages
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