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That's wrong. You can kill several cops who were only doing their job but you cannot win against army forces. You cannot defend your rights from government with a weapon. The weapon in USA (especially long range weapon like rifles) is mostly useful for mass shootings.

The US army are nearly losing two wars to people with small arms and IEDs.

Exactly, do people even engage in critical thought or is all their thinking done for them via identity politics and media.

Re: Longer jail terms for viewing terror content online

#72

Holy shit. I'd leave the country and renounce citizenship over something like this. Reading words? Looking at pictures? Watching a video? Felony jail time? Really? This is policy that any sane person would resist.

While i have no intention of drawing moral equivalencies: in the US, watching child pornography videos can earn you felony jail time and permanent registration on a sex offenders list. Agree or disagree with the punishment, watching a video resulting in jail time is not without precedent, even stateside.

"... And then the child proceeded to give the man a hand job"

Welcome to 15 years in jail.

Oh is that unreasonable? Thought crime 101.

Re: Longer jail terms for viewing terror content online

#73
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Oh...shit. That is both stupefying and petrifying. More and more I feel that there is a new class war coming; and it is not rich vs poor so much as it is governments vs civilians. Really wondering whether this will be shot down or if other governments will follow suit down this road as quickly as possible. Instinct tells me the latter is more likely. I've not been on this Earth long, but where the fuck did all my fre…

This is why Americans have the 2nd amendment

So we can participate in Swiss-style militias in defense of our country?

Re: Longer jail terms for viewing terror content online

#74

Holy shit. I'd leave the country and renounce citizenship over something like this. Reading words? Looking at pictures? Watching a video? Felony jail time? Really? This is policy that any sane person would resist.

While i have no intention of drawing moral equivalencies: in the US, watching child pornography videos can earn you felony jail time and permanent registration on a sex offenders list. Agree or disagree with the punishment, watching a video resulting in jail time is not without precedent, even stateside.

Aren't there employees at facebook and NSA and the like who have to spend all day looking at material that might be child pornography to verify it is indeed such? Do they have to get special clearance or something so it's guaranteed they'll never be prosecuted for it?

Re: Longer jail terms for viewing terror content online

#75

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's wrong. You can kill several cops who were only doing their job but you cannot win against army forces. You cannot defend your rights from government with a weapon. The weapon in USA (especially long range weapon like rifles) is mostly useful for mass shootings.

The US army are nearly losing two wars to people with small arms and IEDs.

So, ya, isn't this post about making terrorism illegal? I feel like we've come full circle at this post.

Re: Longer jail terms for viewing terror content online

#76
That is very serious punishment for just watching the videos. Does it mean that government cannot cope with growing terrorist activity and wants to make it easier to put people they don't like to jail without having to prove that they were actually planning something or otherwise related to terrorism?

Re: Longer jail terms for viewing terror content online

#77
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Does banning something make it go away?

No but those who ban it gain political capital for "being strong against X" where X the bogeyman of the day.

Succinctly summarises the modus-operandi of the UK Home Office's policymaking: Reactionary and fear-driven, where "fear" is defined as the current black-top newspaper headlines.

Re: Longer jail terms for viewing terror content online

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This is why Americans have the 2nd amendment

No, this is why we have the first amendment. The second amendment is crap. I have no very strong opinion on whether people should be allowed to have guns, but the issue is not very relevant. Governments will always have way more force than private individuals. The important thing is to contain that force. And it is a very bad thing if just looking at what extremists have to say can get you arrested.

"You cannot invade the mainland United States. There would be a rifle behind every blade of grass."

-- probably Isoroku Yamamoto

Re: Longer jail terms for viewing terror content online

#79
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This is why Americans have the 2nd amendment

The 2nd amendment is worthless without the 1st, 4th, 5th and 6th, 7th and 8th.

I would say they are all necessary, and none sufficient without the others. The fifth and fourth prevent the government from arbitrary prosecution, which they may be inclined to do if you exercise your rights under the first in some manner they don't like, and so on.

And yes, I'm one of those that believe the 2nd is the ultimate fail-safe when the government throws the rest out the window. The technology of connectedness that has enabled the world's unprecedented run of peace and prosperity in the last century has also allowed governments an even more unprecedented power to surveil and control their populations, and it may well take a credible threat of retaliation to make them back down.

Re: Longer jail terms for viewing terror content online

#80

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The US army are nearly losing two wars to people with small arms and IEDs.

So, ya, isn't this post about making terrorism illegal? I feel like we've come full circle at this post.

This whole subthread is about states being heavyhanded and our options in responding.

Also, terrorism is kind of illegal already.

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