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I don't have any references for you but this interview with a psychiatrist who would use MDMA with his patients (and LSD) when he deemed it beneficial is interesting.
Thanks pizza - you seem to lack the "forgot to post link"-extension ;) No, really, I am interested. Please share. Thanks.
I was in the MAPS MDMA for PTSD study
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Re: I was in the MAPS MDMA for PTSD study
#122Earlier quoted context omitted.
What is an MDMA session?
When a patient sits with a therapist under the influence of MDMA, which typically consists of two doses (100-120mg initially, then 70mg a few hours later) spread over an 6-8 hour period. The patient is largely experiencing their own internal process, but at times the therapist is there to help guide and comfort. Before and after the session there is conventional psychotherapeutic follow-up.
Huh, I wonder to what extent this is dependent on the therapist understanding that you're on MDMA. I.e., would it be possible for a patient to take some MDMA (assuming you have experience with it) and then go to a therapist?
I've accidentally done as much myself with close friends instead of therapists: I started partying with Molly during a period in my life where I was already starting to recognize and work through some issues from my entire childhood: the wee hours of the morning after having an amazing night dancing is a pretty ideal setting to open up mental blocks and be honest with yourself and others. (It also made me almost instantly closer to those people, whom I consider some of the most important people in my life at this point).
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#123For decades, there has been a near complete effective block on medical research for certain classes of drugs. Timothy Leary and that kind of 60’s stuff chilled legitimate science. Only recently have small changes started to happen, to the point the government, the flipping FDA, has started to think Ectasy (MDMA) might be a viable treatment for some of our most horrible mental illnesses. So many people wonder when sci…
>"So many people wonder when science will let us do things. When will we land on the moon, when will we cure cancer (most cancer anyway, a handful have been effectively cured), when will all of mankind benefit from the next great insights? We ask this yet in a lot of ways, we won’t even open our minds enough to give it our best shot."
I'm of the firm opinion that we'll always be slow to do those Big Things while we are dragged-down by the welfare/nanny state. So many lives and generations are subsidized into oblivion for a net societal loss.
Re: I was in the MAPS MDMA for PTSD study
#124... until you stop taking the drug.
What is your basis for saying this?
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#125Check out the book TRUST, SURRENDER, RECEIVE by Anne Other.
It features the history, politics, science and first hand accounts of 40 people who used MDMA for healing PTSD and trauma in an underground practice.
Very powerful book.
Http://bit.ly/mdmabook
Re: I was in the MAPS MDMA for PTSD study
#126Earlier quoted context omitted.
When a patient sits with a therapist under the influence of MDMA, which typically consists of two doses (100-120mg initially, then 70mg a few hours later) spread over an 6-8 hour period. The patient is largely experiencing their own internal process, but at times the therapist is there to help guide and comfort. Before and after the session there is conventional psychotherapeutic follow-up.
Why two doses? Having no experience with this, 6-8 hours sounds like a long therapy session.
it simply extends the time
You are able to "work".
It's such an enjoyable and useful process that most everyone chooses to take the booster dose.
It also is a nice safety check, if the person happens to freak out or really doesn't want to continue, they can pass and come back down. But as I Said, in practice no one passes.
It's also not boring or tedious as most therapies can be, it's a lovely place you want to explore.
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And that therapist has access to 100% _pure_ (and unfortunately illegal) MDMA. This is one of the great tragedies of the war on drugs: UN member states are bound to the convention under law, so until this unjust (and unscientific) barrier is torn down it will always be dangerous and difficult to acquire for therapeutic purposes. But things, thankfully, are changing for the better.
It's the powers that be (money; pharmaceutical industry) who want these substances to remain criminalized, because these substances can be way more powerful and much cheaper than anti-depressants & Co. - and without destructive side-effects. So what MDMA, LSD, psilocybin and others can do is make people much healthier and the industry a tiny bit less rich, which is only in "the people's" interest.
> and without destructive side-effects
You can mess up your serotonin levels for an extended period of time through MDMA abuse.
I guess that might be a direct effect rather than a side effect, but that doesn't seem to be your point.
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#128Earlier quoted context omitted.
It's the powers that be (money; pharmaceutical industry) who want these substances to remain criminalized, because these substances can be way more powerful and much cheaper than anti-depressants & Co. - and without destructive side-effects. So what MDMA, LSD, psilocybin and others can do is make people much healthier and the industry a tiny bit less rich, which is only in "the people's" interest.
> and without destructive side-effects You can mess up your serotonin levels for an extended period of time through MDMA abuse. I guess that might be a direct effect rather than a side effect, but that doesn't seem to be your point.
>> You can mess up your serotonin levels for an extended period of time through MDMA abuse.
You can do that with SSRIs too. You can also kill yourself with opioids. The problem is that MDMA isn't even available by prescription. The first I heard of it was on a TV special covering its use in therapy sessions - that was in the 1980s prior to the whole ecstasy fad. Why is this useful substance totally illegal, while much more harmful and addictive things are legal, available, and causing problems?
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#129Earlier quoted context omitted.
When a patient sits with a therapist under the influence of MDMA, which typically consists of two doses (100-120mg initially, then 70mg a few hours later) spread over an 6-8 hour period. The patient is largely experiencing their own internal process, but at times the therapist is there to help guide and comfort. Before and after the session there is conventional psychotherapeutic follow-up.
Huh, I wonder to what extent this is dependent on the therapist understanding that you're on MDMA. I.e., would it be possible for a patient to take some MDMA (assuming you have experience with it) and then go to a therapist? I've accidentally done as much myself with close friends instead of therapists: I started partying with Molly during a period in my life where I was already starting to recognize and work through…
Agree MDMA has incredible potential for therapy. However I think your therapist should be comfortable/trained with it - just showing up isn’t ideal.
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#130Earlier quoted context omitted.
When a patient sits with a therapist under the influence of MDMA, which typically consists of two doses (100-120mg initially, then 70mg a few hours later) spread over an 6-8 hour period. The patient is largely experiencing their own internal process, but at times the therapist is there to help guide and comfort. Before and after the session there is conventional psychotherapeutic follow-up.
Huh, I wonder to what extent this is dependent on the therapist understanding that you're on MDMA. I.e., would it be possible for a patient to take some MDMA (assuming you have experience with it) and then go to a therapist? I've accidentally done as much myself with close friends instead of therapists: I started partying with Molly during a period in my life where I was already starting to recognize and work through…
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Beginners usually need a trainer and a guide to at least get started and to not end up in a life risking situation.
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