As with any article about music finances, it misses one crucial detail: elaborating how the money is split between every single entity in the value chain. There's plenty of YouTubers who make orders of magnitude more money on the same amount of views. I feel it's probably largely due to the fact that youtubers usually only split the cash two ways between the star and the editor
Royalties from Writing a Hit Song with Justin Bieber
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Re: Royalties from Writing a Hit Song with Justin Bieber
#122Earlier quoted context omitted.
If even people reaching a truly stupidly huge number of people don't get even close to making a living (I get more than that off a few hundred people on Patreon for the work that I do), in a situation where those operating the streaming services are renting out entire floors of office buildings in Manhattan, your question is disingenuous. Just because some of us are eking out a sort of existence in the new era doesn'…
The problem is the middlemen and the way the revenue is distributed through them. Someone who produces and uploads their own video that reaches a stupidly huge number of people will make bank guaranteed, just like someone who is reaching their audience directly through Patreon. On average you should be able to get $5-$10 per 1000 YouTube video views if it is on your own monetized channel. So that 35 million views pro…
Yes, but YouTube is itself a middleman at this point. Possibly a generous one or not but still a middleman who can vary the size of their cut.
Only competion can alter that very much.
Re: Royalties from Writing a Hit Song with Justin Bieber
#123Earlier quoted context omitted.
If even people reaching a truly stupidly huge number of people don't get even close to making a living (I get more than that off a few hundred people on Patreon for the work that I do), in a situation where those operating the streaming services are renting out entire floors of office buildings in Manhattan, your question is disingenuous. Just because some of us are eking out a sort of existence in the new era doesn'…
The problem is the middlemen and the way the revenue is distributed through them. Someone who produces and uploads their own video that reaches a stupidly huge number of people will make bank guaranteed, just like someone who is reaching their audience directly through Patreon. On average you should be able to get $5-$10 per 1000 YouTube video views if it is on your own monetized channel. So that 35 million views pro…
Probably most of it ended up in the hands of the record label that owns the YouTube account, and by the time they finished taking their cut the final $200 made it back to the song writer.
But the video will have more 'creators' than a song. I.e. song writer should not be getting 20% royalties of the video spin.
Re: Royalties from Writing a Hit Song with Justin Bieber
#124Earlier quoted context omitted.
Pandora has to pay more if it was requested.
but we all know that the whole pandora business is exactly to get around that. you get to hear the song you want, and a few similar ones, in a guise that it worked like radio and you didnt select any song, so they can keep the royalties down. ...that said, i'd be very curious what's YouTube excuse. if they need any and are not just shoving their weight around. for tv series and cartoons they are using the "but thats…
The per-stream rates between radio & interactive has narrowed significantly in the last 10 years so it's only a 10-15% difference.
Re: Royalties from Writing a Hit Song with Justin Bieber
#125If each radio spin at 347,820 spins hit 10,000 radio listeners average (a Denver hit station has about ~250,000 weekly listeners, a popular rush hour/drive time show with mixed talk/music format has ~80,000 listeners) , then the $53,000 was at a rate of 0.00001524 dollars per listener. If Pandora paid that, his royalty would have been $582.55... So it looks like the industry from a streaming point of view assumes abo…
Aren't royalties paid per play (i.e. spin)? The rate for the radio is about $0.14 per play (53/347), in that case. Stations have no way of knowing how many listeners actually heard the song. They can estimate with ratings services, but not get exact numbers like say Spotify.
I think you meant $0.0014 per play...
Re: Royalties from Writing a Hit Song with Justin Bieber
#126Earlier quoted context omitted.
If even people reaching a truly stupidly huge number of people don't get even close to making a living (I get more than that off a few hundred people on Patreon for the work that I do), in a situation where those operating the streaming services are renting out entire floors of office buildings in Manhattan, your question is disingenuous. Just because some of us are eking out a sort of existence in the new era doesn'…
> abolishing money Communes have been tried, voluntary ones and forcible ones, over and over. They never work out. People just aren't wired up that way. > Star Trek is an imaginary utopia. You can always make things work when writing a script.
Respectfully I disagree with your assessments.
Abolishing money does not need to exist only in a commune format; currency is a mode of exchange that exists because there is a natural scarcity of resources. Currency allows us all a medium to acquire what we want; usually as a result of personal investment of some source.
Star Trek, while imaginary, is a technological utopia and I would argue that we are not that far off from the beginning of that type of society. Since we're on HN i'll assume you're familiar with Kurzweil's Law of Accelerating Returns and the consistent and predictable exponential tech growth. As we make advances in energy, nanotech, robotics, and genetics the problems that plague society today won't be relevant to the people of tomorrow. If we aren't working towards Utopian society as a collective then the fault is ours, because working towards anything else is just a failure of imagination.
Of course this assumes the political will and foresight to address the challenges and growing pains that come along with the transition.
Re: Royalties from Writing a Hit Song with Justin Bieber
#127Earlier quoted context omitted.
In the end what we are seeing is that that golden era of creators making a living (and much much more) was an anomaly. Historically, musicians and actors were very poorly paid. For a brief period in the 20th century, some of them made a lot of money. That's over. There were, at peak, several million Myspace bands. Some of which didn't suck. Supply of musicians far exceeds demand.
Myspace was great for smaller bands. It made it very easy to connect with like-minded artists and set up tours and shows on your own.
Clearly, it did not work for myspace.
Re: Royalties from Writing a Hit Song with Justin Bieber
#128Earlier quoted context omitted.
> abolishing money Communes have been tried, voluntary ones and forcible ones, over and over. They never work out. People just aren't wired up that way. > Star Trek is an imaginary utopia. You can always make things work when writing a script.
Respectfully I disagree with your assessments. Abolishing money does not need to exist only in a commune format; currency is a mode of exchange that exists because there is a natural scarcity of resources. Currency allows us all a medium to acquire what we want; usually as a result of personal investment of some source. Star Trek, while imaginary, is a technological utopia and I would argue that we are not that far o…
People will always want more. It's just the way we are.
Consider the state of the poor in the US today. It is far, far better by any measure than the state of the poor in medieval times, Roman times, etc. Yet the conventional opinion is it is not remotely good enough.
By today's standards, the Star Trek universe is a utopia. But by the standards of the inhabitants of that universe, they may regard the state of their poor in crisis terms.
Re: Royalties from Writing a Hit Song with Justin Bieber
#129Earlier quoted context omitted.
Another thread suggested I check out a long lived commune in the US, so I did. It turns out that it was indeed long lived, but the average member only stayed a year and a half before moving on. The larger point is, in America, anyone can form a commune or choose to live in one. There's no law against it. What you don't get to do is force people to join and prevent them from leaving. There seem to be orders of magnitu…
Interesting, I would simply be cautious that publicity is not sought out by many communities. Also, people can have significant financial incentives for these places to break apart so communal property may be sold off. PS: I am not personally interested in living on one. However, I do know people who have for ~30 years and see a host of upsides and downsides.
> people can have significant financial incentives
Of course. People who believe they will be better off leave the commune. Those tend to be the highest producers. What's left are the low producers, and that can't sustain the commune, so it collapses.
The next obvious step is to prevent the high producers from leaving, and history shows how that plays out.
Re: Royalties from Writing a Hit Song with Justin Bieber
#130Earlier quoted context omitted.
If even people reaching a truly stupidly huge number of people don't get even close to making a living (I get more than that off a few hundred people on Patreon for the work that I do), in a situation where those operating the streaming services are renting out entire floors of office buildings in Manhattan, your question is disingenuous. Just because some of us are eking out a sort of existence in the new era doesn'…
> abolishing money Communes have been tried, voluntary ones and forcible ones, over and over. They never work out. People just aren't wired up that way. > Star Trek is an imaginary utopia. You can always make things work when writing a script.
>Communes have been tried, voluntary ones and forcible ones, over and over. They never work out. People just aren't wired up that way.
Communes from the 60's still exist.