Royalties from Writing a Hit Song with Justin Bieber
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#112Earlier quoted context omitted.
"Santa's Super Sleigh"?
No but my user name is a big hint. Artist who grew up in South Philly 50-60 years ago and had a hit song so big he still lives off the royalties today.....
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#113> How will I be able to support my gift? In the end what we are seeing is that that golden era of creators making a living (and much much more) was an anomaly. Control of new types of distribution created scarcity and new forms of expression and shifting norms jacked up demand. But now distribution is free, instant and global. Demand has flatlined and production has exploded. The hard question a creator needs to ask…
> But now distribution is free That is laughable. Middle-men like YouTube (Google), record companies and other channels take most of your money. I wouldn't call that free. (Discoverability is part of distribution)
The point is--- if the cost is nearly free, why not do it yourself? You're right that youtube/google/spotify are going to take a cut for distribution, but you really don't need the record companies. And if your music is good, and you already have a following, you can just sell it on Bandcamp.
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#114I have similar feelings. My gift generates millions for someone else. I take home above median income, but I'm not getting rich. I'm working toward a plan. I wonder what his plan is? It's interesting watching this comment section fill with bickering over what commenters think he deserves.
Seconded. I think the software industry is an example where the "creators" just get a salary.If you are lucky or an early stage employee, you may get some equity. Software that we write creates billions for corporations but we never get a share. Question: Why do musicians & "creative" people get royalties for what they do and not others? If value creation is the argument, I would argue we are also creating value. I a…
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#115Earlier quoted context omitted.
>The hard question a creator needs to ask themselves now is not "how do I get paid for what my art is worth?", but instead "was my art ever worth much to begin with?" I disagree. The hard questions for creators of anything is how to control sales of the product. The digital platforms have failed musicians. The challenge is how to enforce prevention of piracy (ie illegal uploading of material). This will ultimately be…
What? Piracy isn’t the evil that it used to be 15-20 years ago where people would rip cds and tapes. Nowadays everyones music is hosted and streamed legally on youtube/spotify/play music/any generic music service. The days of people paying $20 for an album cd just to listen to the one hit they like are long gone. If artists trust their popularity then they can pull their music from streaming services, indirectly forc…
anecdata, but I see a lot of people (myself included) buying $10 CD's and $20 vinyl with a download code at shows in small venues.
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#116This is a story about middlemen. 30 years ago, the supply chain for recorded music went something like this: creator -> music label & radio -> retailers -> audience Now it's something like this: creator -> (label) -> digital platform -> audience Huge power is concentrated in the platforms, which essentially combine curation, distribution, sales, and marketing. They control pricing. They control the playlists. They co…
30 years ago the supply chain for recorded music went something like this:
Songwriter - publisher - recording artist - record label - wholesale distribution - retailer - audience.
Someone would write a song. Ideally they would have a publisher, whose job it is to help them maximise the commercial exploitation of that song. That song would be recorded by an artist, funded by a record label. The writer and performing artist may or may not be the same person or people.
A record label would sign a recording artist, and often pay them an advance against future recording royalty revenues. That advance - say $100,000 - was exactly that - an upfront payment, and until the artist's royalty payout hit $100,000 they did not make any more money and did not share in any profits the label might be making from the recording. At the point that they have paid back the $100,000 advance the artist has "recouped" and starts to get a share of profits.
The label would pay for the recording of the song, and then pay for mixing, master, and production of the finished product. They would then ship this product to a distributor who would get it into shops. The distributor would pay the label a unit price considerably below the retail price. The publisher representing the songwriter would get a small fee per unit shipped based on the wholesale price. The artist would get a small recording royalty per unit against the wholesale distribution rate - maybe 10% or 20% or whatever deal they had struck with the label.
Retailers would mark up from what they paid. Sales would be driven by a marketing campaign paid for by the record label - sometimes the publisher would contribute to this marketing spend. Marketing would comprise interviews/features/reviews in a limited universe of music publications and newspapers, some advertising spend, a radio campaign (convincing radio stations to play the music) and perhaps some TV slots. It was fairly manageable, and labels had good connections into major media so were quite easily able to generate good hype for artists.
If the record didn't sell, then the label had sunk a lot of money into marketing and promotion, and the advance to the artist. And if the record didn't sell, the artist would not begin to recoup against their advance.
Now the model is something like -
Songwriter - publisher - recording artist - record label - music platform
Someone still needs to write a song. Someone still needs to pay for that song to be recorded. Recording is easier and cheaper than ever though, so labels don't have to invest so much here. However, because it's easier and cheaper to record than ever before, it also means that more people than ever are doing it. Distributing physical product was HARD. And expensive. And now that you can quite literally with a couple of clicks send a recording to Spotify or Apple Music, that barrier to entry has also dropped. So it's easier and cheaper to record, easier and cheaper to distribute - and the audience has far more choice than ever before. Marketing music effectively is harder than ever - there are more channels to reach consumers than ever before, and labels have far less influence over these channels than they did before. So marketing music effectively requires a real understanding of the potential fan base for an artist, and real understanding of how to structure and run a campaign, and reach the curators who power the platforms.
The role of a label has changed considerably in the last 30 years. Do labels provide questionable value? Against the old model, yes - you can record and distribute your music without a label. To reach an audience and really cut through against all the thousands of other people recording and distributing music - you need real expertise, and considerable experience of what works and what doesn't work.
Running a record label in the old days was very different to running a record label now. But labels make money by being experts.
If I were an up-and-coming artist I would make music that I and my audience could love - and I would hire the BEST POSSIBLE PEOPLE to ensure that I'm maximising my chances in every possible area of my career, and cut them in for a percentage of whatever increased success they could bring me.
Are those experts working for a "record label"? Maybe, or maybe not. But they will definitely be doing this day in, day out, for similar artists, and they will be learning every day what does and doesn't work.
A lot of people in technology seem to think that music is a "build it and they will come" sort of thing. Just because your song is on Apple Music or Spotify does not mean that people are going to discover you. Once they discover you, you have to hope that they will stick with you on your journey, but actually because they way a lot of platforms work the music comes first and the "artist brand" comes second. It's a pretty widely acknowledged fact in the music industry that if you play a bunch of relatively well known songs to a bunch of kids they will probably know the songs, and be able to sing along. They probably WON'T be able to tell you the artist behind those songs though. Great songs deserve great audiences - but all too often great songs suffer because they can't cut through and find those audiences, and even when they do get listened to, converting someone who hears your music into someone who remains a fan and follows along on your journey is something else entirely.
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#117At least we know why Google earns so much. They don't pay any royalties, rather keep everything to themselves. Interesting business concept.
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#118I can't speak as to the other platforms, but spotify's revenue sharing model really sucks for small artists. For example, if someone signs up for Spotify to listen to exclusively songs by one artist, that artist is not getting that user's monthly fee... they're probably getting a couple pennies tops, if that.
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#119I pay GBP10 a month for Spotify. I've never listened to Justin Bieber on Spotify, but lots of other people (who don't pay) do. As a percentage of my cash, how much goes to Justin Bieber vs how much to the bands I've actually listened to who have many less total plays? Or - do neither of them get anything?
Let's assume that Justin Bieber gets 100m streams this month, and that's 5% of all streams on Spotify. That means there are 2bn streams across all artists. If your 10 favourite bands between them get 2,000,000 streams, then they represent 0.1% of streaming activity. Out of your £10, spotify gets £8.33 (taking off the VAT). Spotify pays out 70% of revenues in royalties - so there's £5.83 going out the door. Bieber gets 5% of this - £0.29 - and your bands get £0.0058 - so about 0.6 pence. If there are ten bands, then they are each getting 0.06 pence of your £10. Assuming those bands are self releasing, and there are four people in a band, each band member is making 0.0015 pence out of your initial £10.
Whether that money actually goes to Bieber personally, and whether the 0.06p actually goes to the members of the band is another thing entirely, and is dictated the deal that they have (or don't have) with an intermediary such as a record label.
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#120I pay GBP10 a month for Spotify. I've never listened to Justin Bieber on Spotify, but lots of other people (who don't pay) do. As a percentage of my cash, how much goes to Justin Bieber vs how much to the bands I've actually listened to who have many less total plays? Or - do neither of them get anything?
The other comment was correct that most of the pooled money will go to Bieber, however I feel there's a better way to frame it. Economically speaking, you can imagine if Spotify had 100 users paying 10 GBP each; 99 listened exclusively to Justin Bieber, and 1 to 'Band.' All users listen to music in equal frequency. Though 99% of the pooled money — and if divvied up equally, 99% of 'Band' fan's money — goes to Justin…
A rights holder may or may not be an artist - quite often, the rights holder for the recording royalty is a record label, and the artist is getting a percentage of what the label takes. There is also the publishing (songwriter) royalty - and the songwriter may or may not be the recording artist.