Royalties from Writing a Hit Song with Justin Bieber
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Royalties from Writing a Hit Song with Justin Bieber
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Re: Royalties from Writing a Hit Song with Justin Bieber
#2Obviously the streaming numbers are minuscule, but if people bought CDs, they can play it unlimited times for a fixed rate. Streaming does substitute with radio and purchased music, but more the latter.
Expecting radio rates for something that primarily substitutes for purchased CDs is ludicrous. It would have been more interesting (to me) if the article had compared the youtube/pandora payments with the equivalent CD purchases.
Also, this is what google and apple want to do to all of us. Make your complements cheap to enhance your value. Hence the plummeting value of software on their platforms. Apple is busying crying crocodile tears about the difficulty of making a living on the ios platform. They're not gonna care unless and until it damages their platform.
Re: Royalties from Writing a Hit Song with Justin Bieber
#3If each radio spin at 347,820 spins hit 10,000 radio listeners average (a Denver hit station has about ~250,000 weekly listeners, a popular rush hour/drive time show with mixed talk/music format has ~80,000 listeners) , then the $53,000 was at a rate of 0.00001524 dollars per listener.
If Pandora paid that, his royalty would have been $582.55...
So it looks like the industry from a streaming point of view assumes about 20,000 radio listeners per play on the radio.
This might even average correctly across the US market.
Re: Royalties from Writing a Hit Song with Justin Bieber
#4Well, I thought this was going to be about JB screwing over a writer... so at least it wasn't that. Pretty low numbers though. I wonder what Spotify would have looked like if it were on the list...
Re: Royalties from Writing a Hit Song with Justin Bieber
#5I pay GBP10 a month for Spotify. I've never listened to Justin Bieber on Spotify, but lots of other people (who don't pay) do.
As a percentage of my cash, how much goes to Justin Bieber vs how much to the bands I've actually listened to who have many less total plays?
Or - do neither of them get anything?
Re: Royalties from Writing a Hit Song with Justin Bieber
#6In the absence of significant income from album sales, artists can make a respectable living through touring and merchandising. This path isn't going to work for songwriters. They need to find a different funding model. Perhaps bill artists by the hour? Probably a flat-rate contract for x dollars per song would be more feasible.
Re: Royalties from Writing a Hit Song with Justin Bieber
#7If each radio spin at 347,820 spins hit 10,000 radio listeners average (a Denver hit station has about ~250,000 weekly listeners, a popular rush hour/drive time show with mixed talk/music format has ~80,000 listeners) , then the $53,000 was at a rate of 0.00001524 dollars per listener. If Pandora paid that, his royalty would have been $582.55... So it looks like the industry from a streaming point of view assumes abo…
Yeah, radio is one->many, YT and Pandora are (usually) 1-1. Totally different schemes...
Re: Royalties from Writing a Hit Song with Justin Bieber
#8If each radio spin at 347,820 spins hit 10,000 radio listeners average (a Denver hit station has about ~250,000 weekly listeners, a popular rush hour/drive time show with mixed talk/music format has ~80,000 listeners) , then the $53,000 was at a rate of 0.00001524 dollars per listener. If Pandora paid that, his royalty would have been $582.55... So it looks like the industry from a streaming point of view assumes abo…
Aren't royalties paid per play (i.e. spin)? The rate for the radio is about $0.14 per play (53/347), in that case. Stations have no way of knowing how many listeners actually heard the song. They can estimate with ratings services, but not get exact numbers like say Spotify.
Re: Royalties from Writing a Hit Song with Justin Bieber
#9I can't speak as to the other platforms, but spotify's revenue sharing model really sucks for small artists.
For example, if someone signs up for Spotify to listen to exclusively songs by one artist, that artist is not getting that user's monthly fee... they're probably getting a couple pennies tops, if that.
Re: Royalties from Writing a Hit Song with Justin Bieber
#10I pay GBP10 a month for Spotify. I've never listened to Justin Bieber on Spotify, but lots of other people (who don't pay) do. As a percentage of my cash, how much goes to Justin Bieber vs how much to the bands I've actually listened to who have many less total plays? Or - do neither of them get anything?
A fair chunk would go to Bieber, almost nothing would go to the band you listened to exclusively.
It's because Spotify pools all the subscription money earmarked for artists into one great pool then divvies it up based on number of plays or play-time or some weird proxy measurement.