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I was in the MAPS MDMA for PTSD study

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Re: I was in the MAPS MDMA for PTSD study

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Post by tosstossy »

moretai wrote: post #82
bduerst wrote: post #77

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It might be because there are people who have experienced otherwise and you seem to be speaking in generalizations instead of experience. This is anecdotal, but taking MDMA once, recreationally and not in a theraputic sessions, helped me with social anxiety. The best analogy I can give is like you're playing a NES game, and it's glitching all over parts of the screen. You're still able to play, but there's interferen…

This is not my original thought, but what if that "beauty" is manufactured? What if it's not genuine beauty, but an illusion created by your mind to validate the experience of taking the MDMA? I guess the research would prove whether that's the case. I realize that's a pretty extreme statement to make. But from what I understand, we hardly realize how the mind works. I am not saying don't dismiss the research. I just…

I can't speak for everyone, but psychedelics really help one internalize that beauty is perceived. Everything we experience is through a perception filter.

Psychedelics are an effective means of clearing the filter of all the constraints a person accumulates in the course of life. Culture, society, education, religion, it all serves to build the filters up.

If one finds beauty in the world under the influence of psychedelics, in my experience it tends to persist long after the drugs have left the system.

Re: I was in the MAPS MDMA for PTSD study

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Post by brockwhittaker »

maxxxxx wrote: post #88

Is there a way to do this in the US or other countries in half ways safe manner? I would be very interested but the people I know who trip regularly don't seem responsible enough for my taste.

In the US find a dealer or the dark web, you can buy test kits to test for pure MDMA (Molly), to ensure it’s not mixed with things. Ecstasy can otherwise be mixed with opiates or uppers like speed.

I know a lot of pretty responsible users of MDMA (most use during festivals). It’s also best to not do it more than once a month as it’ll significantly decrease the effects.

It’s also important to be mindful that in days following the high may come a low where you feel more depressed than usual. This is due to the low seratonin levels your brain will have after you increased them to levels you’ve likely never reached before.

I also wouldn’t consider MDMA a “trip” per se. At doses like 80-120mg you will be fully mentally able, you’ll just have rose colored glasses on (a fondness for everyone and everything).

Otherwise some other tips are to chew gum as most people have an oral fixation on MDMA and you don’t want to grind your teeth. I hear taking Magnesium before helps as well though I haven’t personally researched that.

Re: I was in the MAPS MDMA for PTSD study

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Post by yesbabyyes »

pizza wrote: post #90
yesbabyyes wrote: post #83

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Thanks bdamm. Yes, in particular, I am looking for pointers to that, I suppose. Perhaps, somewhere there is one and we could travel there.

I don't have any references for you but this interview with a psychiatrist who would use MDMA with his patients (and LSD) when he deemed it beneficial is interesting.

Thanks pizza - you seem to lack the "forgot to post link"-extension ;)

No, really, I am interested. Please share. Thanks.

Re: I was in the MAPS MDMA for PTSD study

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Post by maxxxxx »

brockwhittaker wrote: post #92
maxxxxx wrote: post #88

Is there a way to do this in the US or other countries in half ways safe manner? I would be very interested but the people I know who trip regularly don't seem responsible enough for my taste.

In the US find a dealer or the dark web, you can buy test kits to test for pure MDMA (Molly), to ensure it’s not mixed with things. Ecstasy can otherwise be mixed with opiates or uppers like speed. I know a lot of pretty responsible users of MDMA (most use during festivals). It’s also best to not do it more than once a month as it’ll significantly decrease the effects. It’s also important to be mindful that in days f…

I don't know about MDMA in particular but over the last years I have seen two times the effect of trips gone wrong. Interestingly both involved women ripping off their clothes (seriously!) and running around screaming at the top of their lungs for hours. One especially was alone in the middle of the LA National Forest hours away from civilization next to pretty big cliffs. I just happened to hike by and could hear her for miles. I never do drugs so I just want to make sure I have someone close who knows what he/she is doing and can handle the situation if I respond weirdly.

Re: I was in the MAPS MDMA for PTSD study

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Post by wavefunction »

moretai wrote: post #64
wavefunction wrote: post #38

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You sound like you haven't tried either MDMA or mushrooms from reading your post. I can't speak for everyone but the stuff you think is 'all bullshit' seems to be pretty common experience even among people who don't know Terrence McKenna or George Harrison from lil Jeffy Sessions. And psychedelic use has been deeply ingrained in various human cultures all over the world for thousands (tens of thousands? hundreds of t…

>Taking psychedelics as part of a religious ceremony or ritual to rid oneself of suffering is part of indigenous traditions in the Americas, Europe, Africa, Asia and Australia/Oceania. Could you link me to some research about this? I have heard this talked about, but I haven't found anything reliable.

I think this article has some good examples of cultures and traditions you can google for further info:

https://www.culturalsurvival.org/publications/cultural-survi...

Re: I was in the MAPS MDMA for PTSD study

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Post by prklmn »

yesbabyyes wrote: post #89
anythingnonidin wrote: post #86

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Be aware: "87% of “Molly” analyzed by the DEA between 2009 and 2013 contained 0% MDMA, instead mostly containing “bath salts” like methylone.3" https://rollsafe.org/whats-in-molly/

Thanks anythingnonidin - again, I am not planning to get my friend pills off the street and pull this cowboy style. I am looking for guided counselling. That being said, I have a friend who I trust, who knows his things (well, when it comes to these things, at least).

> who knows his things (well, when it comes to these things, at least).

I’d venture to guess that half the people buying MDMA-less molly would say the same thing.

If your friend isn’t sitting in the lab while it’s being made or not doing mass spec on it the product, it’s all someone’s word.

Re: I was in the MAPS MDMA for PTSD study

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Post by 09bjb »

dTal wrote: post #52
09bjb wrote: post #19

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I don't think there's a firm consensus on the reasoning, but it's generally acknowledged that the Sch. 1 classification of the psychedelics was motivated to 1) quell their threat of cultural and political destabilization and 2) to keep hippies and blacks in check. The 60s were similar to Occupy Wall Street: there's major (valid) fear on the part of the establishment when a radically different movement picks up steam.…

>there's major (valid) fear on the part of the establishment when a radically different movement picks up steam What do you mean by "valid" here? Do you mean they are afraid for society, or themselves?

As in, there was a legitimate possibility in the 60s or with OWS that the movement would pick up enough momentum to really shake things up, power-structure-wise.

Re: I was in the MAPS MDMA for PTSD study

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Post by 09bjb »

yesbabyyes wrote: post #89
anythingnonidin wrote: post #86

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Be aware: "87% of “Molly” analyzed by the DEA between 2009 and 2013 contained 0% MDMA, instead mostly containing “bath salts” like methylone.3" https://rollsafe.org/whats-in-molly/

Thanks anythingnonidin - again, I am not planning to get my friend pills off the street and pull this cowboy style. I am looking for guided counselling. That being said, I have a friend who I trust, who knows his things (well, when it comes to these things, at least).

Get and use a chemical assay kit of some kind. Trust but verify.
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