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Royalties from Writing a Hit Song with Justin Bieber

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Re: Royalties from Writing a Hit Song with Justin Bieber

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I can't speak as to the other platforms, but spotify's revenue sharing model really sucks for small artists. For example, if someone signs up for Spotify to listen to exclusively songs by one artist, that artist is not getting that user's monthly fee... they're probably getting a couple pennies tops, if that.

I really do wish that the part of the money I pay Spotify that goes to royalties ONLY went to the artists I listened to...

Re: Royalties from Writing a Hit Song with Justin Bieber

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> How will I be able to support my gift? In the end what we are seeing is that that golden era of creators making a living (and much much more) was an anomaly. Control of new types of distribution created scarcity and new forms of expression and shifting norms jacked up demand. But now distribution is free, instant and global. Demand has flatlined and production has exploded. The hard question a creator needs to ask…

>The hard question a creator needs to ask themselves now is not "how do I get paid for what my art is worth?", but instead "was my art ever worth much to begin with?" I disagree. The hard questions for creators of anything is how to control sales of the product. The digital platforms have failed musicians. The challenge is how to enforce prevention of piracy (ie illegal uploading of material). This will ultimately be legal hardball, and what 'record companies' used to do to protect their label and artist roster. Someone needs ot take on the big digital platforms in a landmark case. Regarding creativity, a tangible asset (like a box and booklet containing the music in some new format for example) would go a long way to making people think they had actually bought 'something' rather than just listening to an fM radio like stream of tunes. Art is rarely worth very much at the time of creation, but can subsequently explode in future popularity. Creators need robust protection mechanisms in place to help them keep creating, and that is legal precidents.

Re: Royalties from Writing a Hit Song with Justin Bieber

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Well, I thought this was going to be about JB screwing over a writer... so at least it wasn't that. Pretty low numbers though. I wonder what Spotify would have looked like if it were on the list...

To some degree that is what happened, though I'm sure he was screwed by a lawyer rather than the artist himself.

When they offered this songwriter some % of song royalties, they knew ahead of time that it wasn't going to be a whole lot of money.

Solution? Songwriters need a new metric to charge by.

One problem, though, is that perhaps songwriting isn't actually worth that much. When you look at a performer like Justin Beiber, how much of his income depends on specific songs that he's putting out? I'm not sure, but I don't necessarily think it's a large amount.

Re: Royalties from Writing a Hit Song with Justin Bieber

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post #9

I can't speak as to the other platforms, but spotify's revenue sharing model really sucks for small artists. For example, if someone signs up for Spotify to listen to exclusively songs by one artist, that artist is not getting that user's monthly fee... they're probably getting a couple pennies tops, if that.

But why should they get most of the monthly fee? Spotify offers the ability for that user to listen to that artist plus a million others and thus carries the overhead required to create a platform for that artist to publish in the first place. This seems a bit like saying that I as a taxpayer should only have to pay for the public services that I, at this point in time, take advantage of.

Re: Royalties from Writing a Hit Song with Justin Bieber

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I pay GBP10 a month for Spotify. I've never listened to Justin Bieber on Spotify, but lots of other people (who don't pay) do. As a percentage of my cash, how much goes to Justin Bieber vs how much to the bands I've actually listened to who have many less total plays? Or - do neither of them get anything?

The other comment was correct that most of the pooled money will go to Bieber, however I feel there's a better way to frame it.

Economically speaking, you can imagine if Spotify had 100 users paying 10 GBP each; 99 listened exclusively to Justin Bieber, and 1 to 'Band.' All users listen to music in equal frequency. Though 99% of the pooled money — and if divvied up equally, 99% of 'Band' fan's money — goes to Justin Bieber, 'Band' fan's listening weight results in ~10 GBP of the total pool being pulled towards 'Band.' So, in effect, all of 'Band' fan's money could be classified as going towards 'Band.'

Also, as a couple side notes in Spotify's revenue structure:

1. 70% goes to artists, 30% goes to Spotify.

2. Over 70% of Spotify users become paying subscribers iirc, so there's not much of a problem with listening weight being pulled by free users.

Re: Royalties from Writing a Hit Song with Justin Bieber

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My grandfather had a single hit song over 50 years ago and he still lives comfortably off accumulated royalties and other proceeds in 2017. Those days are long gone. In this current system artists can still become millionaires via concert and show money. It's the writers and producers who are getting shafted since they depend mostly on royalities and points.

What I find intriguing are the genres where producers are arguably MORE important than the artist (think trap music). Some producers in that space are circumventing this problem by starting their own labels and signing artists under them. This is essentially what Mike Will Made It has done with Rae Sremmurd. As the music industry evolves, people participating in it have to continually think outside the box and innovate to maintain revenue streams.

Re: Royalties from Writing a Hit Song with Justin Bieber

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> How will I be able to support my gift? In the end what we are seeing is that that golden era of creators making a living (and much much more) was an anomaly. Control of new types of distribution created scarcity and new forms of expression and shifting norms jacked up demand. But now distribution is free, instant and global. Demand has flatlined and production has exploded. The hard question a creator needs to ask…

Is this when your being held upside down out of the window over Denmark street (londons tin pan alley)?

BTW the father of one reality show host is alledged to have done this to a famous British musician back in the day.

Re: Royalties from Writing a Hit Song with Justin Bieber

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post #10

I pay GBP10 a month for Spotify. I've never listened to Justin Bieber on Spotify, but lots of other people (who don't pay) do. As a percentage of my cash, how much goes to Justin Bieber vs how much to the bands I've actually listened to who have many less total plays? Or - do neither of them get anything?

A fair chunk would go to Bieber, almost nothing would go to the band you listened to exclusively. It's because Spotify pools all the subscription money earmarked for artists into one great pool then divvies it up based on number of plays or play-time or some weird proxy measurement.

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