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Kick someone's ass the first day, or become someone's bitch.
The more reasonable advice I was given was “keep to yourself when possible, lower your normal speaking tone by an octave”
I've known a bunch of people who were on the other side and the common takeaway is, 'Do your own time.'
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Why is this hard to believe? Even with more ready access to guns, Americans stab, beat, and bludgeon more people to death that most countries entire murder rate. The US is a violent country even without counting the guns.
Don't take this to absurdisms. I take it you're not American? The stereotypes about us are no more true than the stereotypes about your country.
I did a quick calculation based on probably obsolete numbers, but I got a homicide rate of around 4.8 per 100000 of which 2.7 are with guns, leaving 2.1 without which is still higher than most European countries. (check https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intention... )
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> prisons should be to rehabilitate A lot of people, regardless of political persuasion, believe that the purpose of prisons is to punish those inside. No more, no less, and any "rehabilitation" is just something that happens alongside (and often in spite of) the real purpose.
Even if the purpose was punishment, I wonder why we harbor such a deep aversion to corporal punishment. The (US) Constitution prohibits "cruel and unusual" punishments in sentencing, but in my mind, losing years of one's life, which one will never get back, is significantly more cruel than, say, fifty lashes.
SCOTUS has said about the death penalty specifically that it is without a doubt cruel; however, it is pervasive, and therefore not an unusual punishment. Therefore there is no Constitutional violation. I suspect a similar argument in the inverse rules out corporal punishment. Fifty lashes, even if less cruel than decades in prison, is certainly a cruel punishment. It's also very unusual for 2017 America.
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> prisons should be to rehabilitate A lot of people, regardless of political persuasion, believe that the purpose of prisons is to punish those inside. No more, no less, and any "rehabilitation" is just something that happens alongside (and often in spite of) the real purpose.
The purpose of prisons is to keep felons away from people's children.
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Even if the purpose was punishment, I wonder why we harbor such a deep aversion to corporal punishment. The (US) Constitution prohibits "cruel and unusual" punishments in sentencing, but in my mind, losing years of one's life, which one will never get back, is significantly more cruel than, say, fifty lashes.
Cruel and unusual, not cruel or unusual. SCOTUS has said about the death penalty specifically that it is without a doubt cruel; however, it is pervasive, and therefore not an unusual punishment. Therefore there is no Constitutional violation. I suspect a similar argument in the inverse rules out corporal punishment. Fifty lashes, even if less cruel than decades in prison, is certainly a cruel punishment. It's also ve…
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I'd lay the blame more specifically at Chris Grayling's feet, rather than the Government as a whole. How far he got I don't know, but Michael Gove was addressing IEPs when he took over as Justice Secretary. I felt it was a real shame to have lost him from that role.
The fundamental blunder was appointing Grayling in the first place. He had an ignorant, regressive attitude to criminal justice that we haven't seen since Michael Howard. In addition to wrecking the prison service, Grayling did grievous damage to the courts with the Criminal Courts Charge and the massive cuts to Legal Aid. Gove spent most of his tenure as Justice Secretary undoing the damage that Grayling had done. h…
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What about one that accommodates people who possess marijuana? What about a society that accommodates people who have opioid addictions and need medical help? I think you have a rather skewed idea of the majority of our prison population. I'll give you a hint, though: most of them aren't rapists, murderers, and child molesters.
> I'll give you a hint, though: most of them aren't rapists, murderers, and child molesters. HINT = 15% of the prison population in California are sex offenders.
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I can say I would not want to live in a society that "accommodates" the needs of rapists, murderers, child molesters as well as the various petty criminals. Sin City was a dark film, I never found it a model for cultural structure.
I can say I would not want to live in a society that "accommodates" the needs of rapists, murderers, child molesters as well as the various petty criminals. The communists did this in the Gulag system, by putting the rapists and murders -- who had obviously been victimized by the previous system -- in charge.
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Don't take this to absurdisms. I take it you're not American? The stereotypes about us are no more true than the stereotypes about your country.
Which figures are you using to consider their statement absurd? I suppose the 'most' countries part is only true if you restrict it to the usually considered rich countries or 'developed' countries, but that seems like a reasonable restriction to make given the context. I did a quick calculation based on probably obsolete numbers, but I got a homicide rate of around 4.8 per 100000 of which 2.7 are with guns, leaving…
>Americans stab, beat, and bludgeon more people to death that most countries entire murder rate. The US is a violent country even without counting the guns.
Which is still not backed up. However, I am surprised to see the stats on the murder rate and gun violence all the same.
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Oof. That is one view. There are others, that tend to note that society exists without state institutions - in fact, society is a necessary precondition to a state. Some of these other views don't credit 'society' as something with a will or a reason, simply as an emergent property. That's not to say 'society' doesn't cause things to happen, but it does imply disagreement with the parent comment. I absolutely agree t…
Are you sure that states don't emerge automatically too? We are hierarchical creatures, even in a small group of friends hierarchy appears on its own. If you have a hierarchy the rest is just organizational details.