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If macOS High Sierra shows your password instead of the password hint

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Re: If macOS High Sierra shows your password instead of the password hint

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Wow. This is very obscure language and I'm disappointed. They don't even mention that this is a "BUG". I didn't have any trouble with High Sierra so far, but was disappointed to upgrade to iOS 11. It is still unstable. A lot.

How is this obscure, and why do they have to mention it's a "BUG"? This is a support article for how to fix the issue. There's no reason why the article needs to say "Hey this is a bug", because the whole reason the support article exists is because of the bug.

Re: If macOS High Sierra shows your password instead of the password hint

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Good point, if secure/private/whatever you want to call it were encoded in the type system, that would most likely have been caught by the compiler.

It's actually not a very good point because NSSecureTextField inherits from NSTextField and it's specifically designed not to protect from programmatic access to the text. Of course, you can argue about the design but it's still not a dynamic vs. static type issue.

I didn't have Objective-C in mind, more Haskell or so. My understanding is that you could design things such that it is quite a bit harder to make such an error. I might well be mistaken on that, but at any rate, Cocoa/Obj-C/Swift specifics don't defeat the argument I had in mind (though not written down :-)

Re: If macOS High Sierra shows your password instead of the password hint

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Software issues among all of Apple's products have become much more numerous in recent years. I don't want to get down voted for putting the blame on Tim Cook, but I do not believe he has been a positive influence on the quality of their software. It's sad, really. My first Mac was a late 2009 MacBook Pro. I remember craving the machine before I finally splurged. After I bought it, I used nothing but a Mac for the ne…

Even if we accept your premise, it would be Craig Federighi's "influence" since he actually runs software engineering.

Re: If macOS High Sierra shows your password instead of the password hint

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There have been a few cases like this. Presumably the original was created/maintained by just one person, they move on, and then when the next person comes along they decide it's easier to re-write than modify the old code. But they don't have sufficient time and the new version is inferior to the old. Bear in mind the old version did need to be updated (new CoreStorage features, has to handle Fusion drives, now APFS…

I was just reading about something similar in the "Ask HN: What essay/blogpost do you keep going back to reread?" post Joel Spolsky's point: They did it by making the single worst strategic mistake that any software company can make: They decided to rewrite the code from scratch. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=15407114

I reject that comparison. This is not rewriting a core product with tens of millions of lines of code. This is a small utility program. It's very often no problem to just make a new utility program. Especially one that's in the single digits on how many coder-months it costs.

Re: If macOS High Sierra shows your password instead of the password hint

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Unless you visually connect the fields like the NeXT Interface Builder does.

Well, then it's just an unfortunate drag and drop away. Still same principle :)

Sorry I totally misread your comment the first time. Apologies.

Re: If macOS High Sierra shows your password instead of the password hint

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The lack of attention to detail by Apple recently e.g. code reviews, in house testing is clearly too low. I have seen too many software failures recently from this company. Like photos freezing on my new iMac (before High Sierra), numerous issues with iOS (I remember the podcasts app wasting all my cellular allowance because it ignored WiFi only) and other nuances, inconsistencies and defects. Only in iOS 11 have the…

I have a Dell Precision laptop running Linux at home and a MacBook Pro from work. On a weekly basis, the Mac won't wake from sleep and requires a hard reboot. The Time Machine backups get corrupted at least every other month and require a full backup from scratch. Sometimes the audio just quits working when I wake from sleep. The App Store is some horribly wrapped, unresponsive web app. Disk Utility is useless. Etc,…

My mid-2011 MacBook Air with 4 GB memory has been running really well. Occasionally Safari (the Metal version in High Sierra) gets slow, but it's still faster than Chrome. I've been using it for general casual computing and machine learning development with Jupyter Notebooks and haven't run into anything that would make me want to switch. I'll probably upgrade to a 2018 MacBook Pro with 8 GB memory when those come out.

Re: If macOS High Sierra shows your password instead of the password hint

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Software issues among all of Apple's products have become much more numerous in recent years. I don't want to get down voted for putting the blame on Tim Cook, but I do not believe he has been a positive influence on the quality of their software. It's sad, really. My first Mac was a late 2009 MacBook Pro. I remember craving the machine before I finally splurged. After I bought it, I used nothing but a Mac for the ne…

I agree with the assertion of Tim Cook being a negative influence on Apple. Their product reveals just don't feel stunning anymore. I used to be enamored by their product lines, and truly envious of those people you knew that used Apple products for as much of their production pipeline as possible.

But it's so much different now. It feels less like a well crafted experience and more just an alternative. It was always an alternative, but a complementary one at that. You could buy a hammer, but you could also buy this nice, shiny, beautiful hammer, weighted perfectly to swing like an extension of your arm, etc.

I started getting this feeling right around the first iPhone release after Jobs passed away. As much as I romanticized it here, I wouldn't exactly call myself an Apple fan, nor a Jobs fan, but the sort of impact and hype he could build felt a lot more exciting than Cook for me. And that kinda sucks because I know Apple has some great people with even greater ideas.

Re: If macOS High Sierra shows your password instead of the password hint

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How did Disk Utility.app go from being one of the great built-in OS X utilities to the embarrassing amateurish shit show that it is today? Perhaps the same people responsible for the file system engineering are also responsible for developing this user-facing application. They might excel at low level system engineering, but they are utterly unqualified to develop a high level GUI application. Spend 5 minutes with th…

That fucking pie chart partition allocation bullshit. Christ almighty.

The pain it inflicts upon me... Ever since that thing appeared it's been horrible. It errors if you look at it wrong, and who knows what it's really doing?

Re: If macOS High Sierra shows your password instead of the password hint

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post #161
post #122

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There have been a few cases like this. Presumably the original was created/maintained by just one person, they move on, and then when the next person comes along they decide it's easier to re-write than modify the old code. But they don't have sufficient time and the new version is inferior to the old. Bear in mind the old version did need to be updated (new CoreStorage features, has to handle Fusion drives, now APFS…

1. dont have the same depth of dev talent they used to 2. mgmt that isnt as sensitive-to and focussed-on quality. (this is 75% speculation on my part and 25% confirmed by conversations with 2 ex-apple engineers.)

From the people I know at Apple, there are lots of HUGELY talented people there. That said, they're bigger than ever, and I'm sure there are plenty who are just hiding out trying to while away their career. And some teams are much, much better and more highly responded than others.

Re: If macOS High Sierra shows your password instead of the password hint

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I have a Dell Precision laptop running Linux at home and a MacBook Pro from work. On a weekly basis, the Mac won't wake from sleep and requires a hard reboot. The Time Machine backups get corrupted at least every other month and require a full backup from scratch. Sometimes the audio just quits working when I wake from sleep. The App Store is some horribly wrapped, unresponsive web app. Disk Utility is useless. Etc,…

My mid-2011 MacBook Air with 4 GB memory has been running really well. Occasionally Safari (the Metal version in High Sierra) gets slow, but it's still faster than Chrome. I've been using it for general casual computing and machine learning development with Jupyter Notebooks and haven't run into anything that would make me want to switch. I'll probably upgrade to a 2018 MacBook Pro with 8 GB memory when those come ou…

Ditto. My 2011 Air is still one of the best machines I've ever bought, and it still gets daily use.
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