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Re: If macOS High Sierra shows your password instead of the password hint

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Post by MertsA »

bdamm wrote: post #91
Jerry2 wrote: post #71

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> They removed the jack, and all ports from laptops. What are you on about? Audio jack is there. > They placed the charger for their wireless mouse under the mouse so you can't use it while charging And? Mouse lasts MONTHS on a single charge. It notifies you 12 hours ahead that it needs charging. A 5 min charge can last you an hour. I think this is a lot better than having a hole on the side of your mouse at all time…

The mouse thing really irks me. The moment the mouse needs charging is the moment is stop working. So why am I expected to then not use the product while it charges? A product that used to have a wire connected to it and is sitting right next to the computer ? How is having a hole in the bottom at better than having a hole on the side?

What irks me the most is that they went through all of that trouble to make sure that you can't use the mouse like a wired mouse. You shouldn't ever have to take steps to hinder your customers using their devices just to protect your brand image.

Re: If macOS High Sierra shows your password instead of the password hint

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Post by Osmium »

thought_alarm wrote: post #49

How did Disk Utility.app go from being one of the great built-in OS X utilities to the embarrassing amateurish shit show that it is today? Perhaps the same people responsible for the file system engineering are also responsible for developing this user-facing application. They might excel at low level system engineering, but they are utterly unqualified to develop a high level GUI application. Spend 5 minutes with th…

There have been a few cases like this. Presumably the original was created/maintained by just one person, they move on, and then when the next person comes along they decide it's easier to re-write than modify the old code. But they don't have sufficient time and the new version is inferior to the old.

Bear in mind the old version did need to be updated (new CoreStorage features, has to handle Fusion drives, now APFS).

I get the sense there's a lot of shuffling between teams in Apple, and teams are a lot smaller than you'd expect, and this is the inevitable result. The advantage (I'm guessing) is that they get to move quickly, and it reduces bureaucracy/politics, but ... yeah, this isn't great.

At least diskutil is still there, and is as powerful as ever.

Re: If macOS High Sierra shows your password instead of the password hint

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Post by wlesieutre »

firethief wrote: post #116
bdamm wrote: post #91

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The mouse thing really irks me. The moment the mouse needs charging is the moment is stop working. So why am I expected to then not use the product while it charges? A product that used to have a wire connected to it and is sitting right next to the computer ? How is having a hole in the bottom at better than having a hole on the side?

I don't think it's about the hole. Someone decided: - users would have a better experience if the mouse was wireless - if left to their own devices, users will tend to leave the mouse plugged in and use it as a wired mouse so they solved that contradiction by taking away the option of missing out on wirelessness.

Can confirm I have a hybrid wired/wireless mouse (Logitech G700s) and I generally just leave it plugged in.

Which works fine, so I'm glad Logitech decided not to be assholes about it.

Re: If macOS High Sierra shows your password instead of the password hint

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Post by FabHK »

matt_wulfeck wrote: post #9
maxton wrote: post #5

It's rather frightening that a bug as serious as this one got past Apple's QA. It seems like the list of known problems with the new Disk Utility is growing - recently there was a submission about how High Sierra's Disk Utility did not show unformatted disks.

I really hope a head rolls for this mistake. That team needs some new leadership.

I like the aviation mind set on mistakes: accidents are thoroughly investigated, the aim being to find out what happened and how, not to pin blame. Then, when facile "explanations" of human error are floated, the investigation goes beyond that and examines how the whole system (training, management, SOPs, organisational structure, etc.) allowed the error to happen and, in particular, to escalate into an accident.

Mistakes happen, inevitably – a good system will catch them early enough.

Re: If macOS High Sierra shows your password instead of the password hint

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Post by gxs »

Jerry2 wrote: post #71
nkkollaw wrote: post #24

Apple is really going downhill, in every field. I have a MacBook Pro, and the keys no longer work reliably. I also barely get 2 hours of battery life. High Sierra keeps restarting by itself. They removed the jack, and all ports from laptops. They placed the charger for their wireless mouse under the mouse so you can't use it while charging, and the list goes on and on--particularly with software. It's just not premiu…

> They removed the jack, and all ports from laptops. What are you on about? Audio jack is there. > They placed the charger for their wireless mouse under the mouse so you can't use it while charging And? Mouse lasts MONTHS on a single charge. It notifies you 12 hours ahead that it needs charging. A 5 min charge can last you an hour. I think this is a lot better than having a hole on the side of your mouse at all time…

HN can be a fickle beast - glad you haven't been downvoted.

The hate on the new macbook pro's was especially interesting - they are solid machines and my company had no issues as they started provisioning over the old ones for new employees.

Re: If macOS High Sierra shows your password instead of the password hint

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Post by giancarlostoro »

humblebee wrote: post #70
giancarlostoro wrote: post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> They placed the charger for their wireless mouse under the mouse so you can't use it while charging, and the list goes on and on--particularly with software. Ouch, who let the intern design that one?... Kidding, but really did they not QA test this and how did nobody at QA not say this was a terrible idea? I'll stick to my wireless trackball..

It's pretty terrible UX, but I can see how they came to the idea. If the mouse lasts all day, then surely the user will just charge it when they are done. However, this is a hard thing to train people to do. For people with a desk that step away at the end of the day, such as leaving the office) it is a bit easier to build the habit. However, if you are a user who uses the computer on and off all day, or doesn't have…

Friend told me his wife leaves it charging when she's done using it at night. But I agree it's kind of terrible UX. On the other hand... The Marathon Mouse I bought years ago only needed new batteries 3 years after me having owned / used it daily, and it came with it's own batteries.

Re: If macOS High Sierra shows your password instead of the password hint

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Post by eonti09taeuo »

aphextron wrote: post #46
nkkollaw wrote: post #24

Apple is really going downhill, in every field. I have a MacBook Pro, and the keys no longer work reliably. I also barely get 2 hours of battery life. High Sierra keeps restarting by itself. They removed the jack, and all ports from laptops. They placed the charger for their wireless mouse under the mouse so you can't use it while charging, and the list goes on and on--particularly with software. It's just not premiu…

Their software quality really has become atrocious. Just try recovering your iCloud password from the web. It takes (literally) weeks to do so.

I don't understand what you mean about resetting the iCloud password. I change mine every 3-4 months, and it always takes place immediately. Furthermore, all of my devices immediately notice and ask me to login again. Everything - my phone, laptop, desktop, TV, etc. Is it possible there's some other problem with your account? I've been doing this for literally 10 years and never had to wait even a minute to do it.

Re: If macOS High Sierra shows your password instead of the password hint

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Post by freedomben »

Steeeve wrote: post #89
nkkollaw wrote: post #24

Apple is really going downhill, in every field. I have a MacBook Pro, and the keys no longer work reliably. I also barely get 2 hours of battery life. High Sierra keeps restarting by itself. They removed the jack, and all ports from laptops. They placed the charger for their wireless mouse under the mouse so you can't use it while charging, and the list goes on and on--particularly with software. It's just not premiu…

I also decided against another macbook. Apple quite obviously sees the notebook market as secondary. I don't blame them. i-device sales far outpace notebook sales. But not everybody feels that way. I can get a pretty damn impressive linux box for the same cost.

It's become a bit of a joke that every year is "the year of the linux desktop," but seriously I've been amazed at how awesome machine I can get with linux for half the price of a macbook. Linux UX has come a long way. Both Gnome and KDE these days have a pretty complete and nice experience.

Re: If macOS High Sierra shows your password instead of the password hint

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Post by mikestew »

bdamm wrote: post #105
aphextron wrote: post #58

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>This is a blatant lie. No, it's not. Try recovering your iCloud password from the web right now. I couldn't believe it either. https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT204921 "For your security, recovery includes a waiting period that may be several days or longer depending on the information you can provide to verify your identity. Apple Support cannot help you shorten this time. "

The link you provided documents account recovery, not password change. Also, the word "waiting" does not appear on that page anywhere.

Also, the word "waiting" does not appear on that page anywhere.

Probably undiscerning cut-and-paste from some FUD article, without actually verifying it themselves. I say this because the text of the article might have changed since that little nugget was stashed away, as one can find the following text in the linked article: "Next, wait for the recovery process to finish, which might take a few days or more." And I say "without verifying it" because, well, that has nothing to do with changing your password. Had it actually been tried, it would become evident that these are two very different operations.

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