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Announcing Microsoft Edge for iOS and Android, Microsoft Launcher

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Re: Announcing Microsoft Edge for iOS and Android, Microsoft Launcher

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Post by kylealden »

mixedbit wrote: post #111
kylealden wrote: post #99

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The version of Edge you're linking to on HTML5Test there is two years and four major versions out of date. Edge 16 is more than 100 points higher on HTML5Test. More generally, there's a lot more to making the web great than a blind sprint to adopt every API. Just because it isn't shipping doesn't mean Microsoft isn't a (very) active participant in the standards conversations, testing behind flags, etc. That is a huge…

To add another example, WebVR API cleanup was inspired by Microsoft that joined the group working on this API. Edge isn't yet shipping WebVR, but they are helping with the work.

Good example! Though, for the record, WebVR 1.1 is shipping in EdgeHTML 15. Fair to call it a preview, since consumer headsets won't be available until later this month with the Fall Creators Update, at which point end-to-end support will work out of the box.

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Post by ZeroGravitas »

mixedbit wrote: post #59

Edge is a good browser, people seem to default to criticizing it because of its infamous predecessor. We should root for Edge, it is in the open Web best interest to have several browsers sharing the market.

Or we should shun it, so that if anyone else decides to use their monopoly power to try to destroy the web, they know the consequences will be long lasting.

Re: Announcing Microsoft Edge for iOS and Android, Microsoft Launcher

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Post by megaman22 »

pjc50 wrote: post #120
mixedbit wrote: post #59

Edge is a good browser, people seem to default to criticizing it because of its infamous predecessor. We should root for Edge, it is in the open Web best interest to have several browsers sharing the market.

Edge isn't great if you use tabs; it tends to lose them on crash/restart and doesn't make it easy to have lots of them. It also seems to suffer from the same weird font rendering as a lot of Metro apps.

Edge isn't great period. There are too many janky UI and design choices - probably because it is part of that whole benighted Metro ecosystem.

The thing that really drove me nuts was how the address bar jumps around when you're trying to select part of a URL, which makes it so much harder than it ought to be when you are trying to click and drag with a mouse, let alone a touch interface.

Re: Announcing Microsoft Edge for iOS and Android, Microsoft Launcher

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Post by pmontra »

BoorishBears wrote: post #82
pmontra wrote: post #52

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How about leaving it open, (auto) locking the screen every time you leave the pc? It should be as safe, if you trust the screen locker.

The main problem was the auto locking, I set my PC to go to sleep after 10 minutes (it's a really power hungry setup)

I'm not familiar with Windows nowadays. If it wakes up locked and asking for a password you are fine. That's the setup of my Ubuntu laptop.

Lock the PC, leave it on a desk, it goes to sleep. You come back, wake it up, type in the password to unlock. The weakest link is remembering to lock the pc. Auto lock after some minutes is ok only at home.

Re: Announcing Microsoft Edge for iOS and Android, Microsoft Launcher

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Post by jackfoxy »

pjc50 wrote: post #120
mixedbit wrote: post #59

Edge is a good browser, people seem to default to criticizing it because of its infamous predecessor. We should root for Edge, it is in the open Web best interest to have several browsers sharing the market.

Edge isn't great if you use tabs; it tends to lose them on crash/restart and doesn't make it easy to have lots of them. It also seems to suffer from the same weird font rendering as a lot of Metro apps.

Exactly this. I lose my open tabs every 2 weeks or so. I've reported this to the black hole of Edge feedback on numerous occasions. How hard can this be to get right?

Re: Announcing Microsoft Edge for iOS and Android, Microsoft Launcher

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Post by megaman22 »

ekianjo wrote: post #84
chrismbarr wrote: post #76

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This assumes there are Linux users that actually want to use the Edge browser though

I know what you mean. For Edge there's probably not many folks who would be interested, but Office, for one, is still something that's desirable for a lot of folks who use Linux just because of numerous compatibility issues with LibreOffice.

It's a lot easier to just run Office in Wine. It's been a few years, but the last time I tried, that worked.

Honestly, if they were going to have a Linux client at this point, I would expect it to just be an Electron wrapper around the Office 365 webapps.

Re: Announcing Microsoft Edge for iOS and Android, Microsoft Launcher

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Post by BoorishBears »

pmontra wrote: post #124
BoorishBears wrote: post #82

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The main problem was the auto locking, I set my PC to go to sleep after 10 minutes (it's a really power hungry setup)

I'm not familiar with Windows nowadays. If it wakes up locked and asking for a password you are fine. That's the setup of my Ubuntu laptop. Lock the PC, leave it on a desk, it goes to sleep. You come back, wake it up, type in the password to unlock. The weakest link is remembering to lock the pc. Auto lock after some minutes is ok only at home.

The password manager locks when the computer goes to sleep, I'm not sure that it's optional behavior (and if it was I'm not sure I'd want to disable it)

Re: Announcing Microsoft Edge for iOS and Android, Microsoft Launcher

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Post by megaman22 »

ekianjo wrote: post #17
dumbmatter wrote: post #6

One of the most common requests we hear from people who use Microsoft Edge on Windows 10 PCs is "we want our browser experience to move to our phones". That's funny, my most common request is "IT'S BEEN LIKE 5 YEARS, CAN YOU GUYS FINALLY SUPPORT ALL OF THE INDEXEDDB API? EVEN SAFARI DOES IT NOW!" So sad when poor multinational corporations simply don't have the resources to compete with obscenely wealthy organization…

> most common requests we hear from people who use Microsoft Edge on Windows 10 PCs Are there really people using Microsoft Edge out there? I mean, because they want to, not because they have to?

I use it from time to time because I have somehow acquired three or four different Microsoft IDs, all of which have access to different resources (somehow you're supposed to be able to link these, but I've never been able to get that to actually work), and I can't sign into all of them at the same time with Chrome.

Re: Announcing Microsoft Edge for iOS and Android, Microsoft Launcher

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Post by ksk »

IvanK_net wrote: post #62
ocdtrekkie wrote: post #41

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There is Edge for Windows. It's called Edge. Windows 10, is believe it or not, Windows. Any computer running Windows 7 or 8.1 can still (yes, it can) be upgraded to Windows 10 for free. So the only Windows PCs which cannot run Edge were those manufactured prior to 2009. Contrary to popular belief, there is no good reason to be running Windows 7 or 8.1. All of the telemetry anti-features were backported into those ver…

90 percent of Windows 10 users that I know updated from Windows 7 unintentionally and most of them complained about it. Such updates form Microsoft have quite bad reputation. You can't just say "Hey do this irreversible software change and trust us, that you will be satisfied". I am ready to accept it e.g. from Chrome OS, but not from Microsoft.

While I agree that most users (of Windows, Chrome, OSX, iOS etc) are forced/tricked onto the auto-update treadmill, atleast with Windows and OSX I can re-install the older version. With iOS and such it is _impossible_ to downgrade. With Chrome I suppose if you get some kind of non-web installer, you can go back and then disable the update service, but that probably is an unsupported configuration and very likely going to break at some point.

To your last point, I would say I am ready to accept it from anyone except an advertising company whose only primary means of making money is by sifting through my personal data and spying on my online activities. With MS, I have little doubt that they "would if they could", but at-least for now, they wont, since they're making more money selling actual products.

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