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China Forces Norway to Adhere to ‘One China’ Policy

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Post by MattConfluence »

sewer_bird wrote: post #6
avar wrote: post #4

Since the site is melting under the HN load here's the full linked article: HEADLINE: Norway just recently established normal ties with China after a six-year break. But in order to do so, the Norwegian government had to embrace the Chinese development model and social system, as well as the ‘one China’ framework. ARTICLE: Since 2010, Norway barely had any diplomatic relations with China, due to the fact that Chinese…

"who is still to this day behind bars while his wife is enduring a strict house arrest." Liu Xiabo is since dead, actually: https://www.nytimes.com/2017/07/13/opinion/liu-xiaobo.html

The article is from January.

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Post by neom »

shaobo wrote: post #44
whatyoucantsay wrote: post #17

There are two notable points in this piece: 1) China suspended normal diplomatic relations with Norway, tossed out a free trade agreement, largely shut down fishing imports from the country and made it far more difficult for Norwegians to get visas to travel study or work in China. All of this was because of an activist being awarded a Nobel Peace Prize, which is process controlled a foundation, not directly by the N…

It is also worth noting that the Permanent Court of Arbitration is only in the Hague, it is not an UN agency, and not a court in the traditional sense. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Permanent_Court_of_Arbitration

They arbitrate part of the hague conventions. the hague conventions make up part of international law. It's a court of arbitration, your comparison to the UN is apples to oranges, in fact, the UN isn't really involved in international law setting.

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Post by KekDemaga »

DRAOBE wrote: post #62
doktrin wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Perhaps somewhat ironically, this is an illustration of the committee's political independence. Unlike Liu Xiaobo's prize, that of Obama was controversial and broadly unpopular within Norway.

Independence and ineptitude .

Ignorance is why you are being down voted, the man spent his entire time in office at war if that is deserving of a peace prize I'm not sure what you'd have to do to not deserve one.

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Post by muninn_ »

vinceguidry wrote: post #56
captainmuon wrote: post #51

International "meta"-law is so ridiculous. I mean the customary rules concerning recognition of states, embassies, passports [1], etc.. If I was ruler of a small country, I would say "of course we won't recognize Taiwan. We will foobar them. They don't get an embassy, but they get a blah ." (which de facto will be exactly the same thing) [1] Concerning passports, no matter how radically different states are, the US,…

> If I was ruler of a small country, I would say "of course we won't recognize Taiwan. We will foobar them. They don't get an embassy, but they get a blah." (which de facto will be exactly the same thing) That might not be a smart move. Small nations get a lot out of banding together and acting as a bloc. If you foobar Taiwan, it might freeze you out of diplomatic channels that are more important to you than wanking…

Yes that’s great. Let’s put US military bases in small countries so they “turn to us” when China is acting unfavorably.

Sorry. As an American I have no interest in this. I don’t want military bases all over the world, I don’t want to pay for them, and I don’t want to be the world’s police.

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Post by icebraining »

mamon wrote: post #60
danmaz74 wrote: post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Norway is part of the single market (including free movement of people) and benefits from it, so, what they did is completely different from what the UK is going to do. But, most importantly, it's much much more disruptive to first join and then pull out that not joining at all.

So basicaly Norway got itself the best possible deal: all benefits of EU membership without any of the downsides (e.g. common currency or political correctnes bullshit).

If anything, the UK had the best deal: they also don't have a common currency, and unlike Norway they didn't have mandatory open borders (Schengen). I have no idea what do you mean by the EU imposing political correctness, though.

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Post by mikeash »

imron wrote: post #61
Geekette wrote: post #57

Wow, shocking to read of such deep capitulation from a country like Norway, which positions itself as egalitarian and goes the extra mile in various areas such as excluding certain companies from investment by its global sovereign fund on ethical grounds[1]. This was also chilling to read: "And when the Dalai Lama was invited to Norway in 2014 by the Norwegian Nobel Committee to celebrate his receiving the Nobel Peac…

> Wow, shocking to read of such deep capitulation from a country like Norway China forces every country that it has normalised relations with to adhere to the 'One China' policy. Does your country have a Chinese embassy in it? Guess what, your country adheres to the 'One China' policy too.

It's one thing to officially adhere to "One China" and quite another to shun respected people that China doesn't like. Do other countries do that second one? The US seems to have no problem allowing the Dalai Lama to meet the President, for example.
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