Footage shows young elephants being captured for Chinese zoos

Post by sillysaurus3 » Wed, Oct 04, 2017, 4:25 PM UTC

dpark wrote: post #28

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> The elephants' tusks were cut, presumably so that the elephants wouldn't be able to impale each other. That was a bit too sad for me to want to go back to zoos anymore. Hint: the same is being done in mass animal production - pigs have their tails capped to prevent cannibalism from boredom, and chickens get "debeaked" (yeah it's an actual word). Male chicks actually get gassed or shredded alive (!) to death right a…

> Male chicks actually get gassed or shredded alive (!) to death right after hatching because they're fairly useless for the meat production. This isn't true. Most male chicks are slaughtered as broilers, just like most female chicks. (In fact broilers were initially the males that were culled from the egg-laying females.)

Post by dpark » Wed, Oct 04, 2017, 4:28 PM UTC

sillysaurus3 wrote: post #32

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> Male chicks actually get gassed or shredded alive (!) to death right after hatching because they're fairly useless for the meat production. This isn't true. Most male chicks are slaughtered as broilers, just like most female chicks. (In fact broilers were initially the males that were culled from the egg-laying females.)

Sadly that part is true. The actual method used to slaughter them is fairly humane (they're crushed to death almost instantly) but the male chicks do get killed since there's no economic benefit in raising them.

Post by dpark » Wed, Oct 04, 2017, 4:32 PM UTC

mschuster91 wrote: post #35

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This might indeed be the case for chickens raised for egg laying. The GP referred to raising chickens for meat. Males are definitely raised for meat (but slaughtered as juveniles, just like most females). But yeah, that video is disturbing.

Sorry for the confusion - I summed up meat and egg production. However I believe that, same as with pigs/boars, male chicken meat isn't too desirable either, and you don't want male chickens fighting in the herd or impregnating the hens.

Post by [deleted] » Wed, Oct 04, 2017, 4:37 PM UTC

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Out of curiosity, are these organizations literally fighting poachers? I.e. we're saying that an elephant's life is more valuable than a human's? That's an interesting moral question.

Yes, they are. The countries that have a shoot on sight policy for poachers tend to have very low poaching rates. > That's an interesting moral question. It's not actually. The poaching groups are connected to the likes of Boko Haram http://www.nationalgeographic.com/tracking-ivory/article.htm... . So it's two birds with one stone really. Also the poachers kill anti-poachers regularly https://www.theguardian.com/envi…

Post by soVeryTired » Wed, Oct 04, 2017, 4:46 PM UTC

thinkloop wrote: post #15

sillysaurus3 wrote: post #10

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Out of curiosity, are these organizations literally fighting poachers? I.e. we're saying that an elephant's life is more valuable than a human's? That's an interesting moral question.

Harmers are less valuable than victims, regardless of species. All consciousness should be respected.