Footage shows young elephants being captured for Chinese zoos

Post by weberc2 » Wed, Oct 04, 2017, 3:52 PM UTC

sillysaurus3 wrote: post #10

adamnemecek wrote: post #2

You guys should consider donating to the International Anti-Poaching Foundation[0][1] which fights these poachers. The founder, Damien Mander[2], is an Australian ex spec-ops sniper who is using his military experience to train the park rangers since they, unlike the poachers, tend to be poorly equipped and trained as well as understaffed. There is also the David Sheldrick Wildlife Trust[3][4] which takes care of ele…

Out of curiosity, are these organizations literally fighting poachers? I.e. we're saying that an elephant's life is more valuable than a human's? That's an interesting moral question.

Post by adamnemecek » Wed, Oct 04, 2017, 3:55 PM UTC

sillysaurus3 wrote: post #10

adamnemecek wrote: post #2

You guys should consider donating to the International Anti-Poaching Foundation[0][1] which fights these poachers. The founder, Damien Mander[2], is an Australian ex spec-ops sniper who is using his military experience to train the park rangers since they, unlike the poachers, tend to be poorly equipped and trained as well as understaffed. There is also the David Sheldrick Wildlife Trust[3][4] which takes care of ele…

Out of curiosity, are these organizations literally fighting poachers? I.e. we're saying that an elephant's life is more valuable than a human's? That's an interesting moral question.

Post by thinkloop » Wed, Oct 04, 2017, 3:57 PM UTC

sillysaurus3 wrote: post #10

adamnemecek wrote: post #2

You guys should consider donating to the International Anti-Poaching Foundation[0][1] which fights these poachers. The founder, Damien Mander[2], is an Australian ex spec-ops sniper who is using his military experience to train the park rangers since they, unlike the poachers, tend to be poorly equipped and trained as well as understaffed. There is also the David Sheldrick Wildlife Trust[3][4] which takes care of ele…

Out of curiosity, are these organizations literally fighting poachers? I.e. we're saying that an elephant's life is more valuable than a human's? That's an interesting moral question.

Post by mschuster91 » Wed, Oct 04, 2017, 3:59 PM UTC

sillysaurus3 wrote: post #12

adamnemecek wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As families. Not condoning it, but these young elephants are pretty likely to die.

Ah. So if China were to capture entire families of elephants, you'd be ok with it? I'm just trying to determine where the line is. I went to a zoo a couple months ago. The elephants' tusks were cut, presumably so that the elephants wouldn't be able to impale each other. That was a bit too sad for me to want to go back to zoos anymore.

Post by sillysaurus3 » Wed, Oct 04, 2017, 4:00 PM UTC

mschuster91 wrote: post #17

sillysaurus3 wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ah. So if China were to capture entire families of elephants, you'd be ok with it? I'm just trying to determine where the line is. I went to a zoo a couple months ago. The elephants' tusks were cut, presumably so that the elephants wouldn't be able to impale each other. That was a bit too sad for me to want to go back to zoos anymore.

> The elephants' tusks were cut, presumably so that the elephants wouldn't be able to impale each other. That was a bit too sad for me to want to go back to zoos anymore. Hint: the same is being done in mass animal production - pigs have their tails capped to prevent cannibalism from boredom, and chickens get "debeaked" (yeah it's an actual word). Male chicks actually get gassed or shredded alive (!) to death right a…