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Unselfish People Are More Likely to Wind Up with Depression

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Re: Unselfish People Are More Likely to Wind Up with Depression

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On the other hand, people often see themself as unselfish when in fact they are highly emotionally dependent on other people instead of being self-sufficient. This path would lead directly to depression when you find out that the person you are emotionally dependent on isn't going to dedicate themself to making world look just to you.

I'd love to read more literature about this phenomenon. Do you have any?

I can't tell how sincere this is. Is it a polite way of saying "citation needed"?

Re: Unselfish People Are More Likely to Wind Up with Depression

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The point here seems to be that unselfish people are more empathetic to the plight of others. while I don't disagree I wonder if unselfishness leads people into situations where they work towards others benefit (people they perceive as being treated unfairly) at their own detriment also possibly leading to issues with depression. That's the point I presumed the article would make before I read it.

When I see people talk about living indefinitely around here in threads that come up occasionally, it does make me wonder if they are on the other side of some selfishness cutoff. It's weird to think that you'd be interested in living for centuries or longer in a world that has seen everyone before you die and day by day sees horrific injustice. It's almost solipsistic. The same dynamic exists with those hundred mill…

It's weird to think that you'd be interested in living for centuries or longer in a world that has seen everyone before you die and day by day sees horrific injustice.

This seems a weird argument to me, because it works just as well if you replace "years" (or even months) for "centuries".

Re: Unselfish People Are More Likely to Wind Up with Depression

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The point here seems to be that unselfish people are more empathetic to the plight of others. while I don't disagree I wonder if unselfishness leads people into situations where they work towards others benefit (people they perceive as being treated unfairly) at their own detriment also possibly leading to issues with depression. That's the point I presumed the article would make before I read it.

When I see people talk about living indefinitely around here in threads that come up occasionally, it does make me wonder if they are on the other side of some selfishness cutoff. It's weird to think that you'd be interested in living for centuries or longer in a world that has seen everyone before you die and day by day sees horrific injustice. It's almost solipsistic. The same dynamic exists with those hundred mill…

> It's weird to think that you'd be interested in living for centuries or longer in a world that has seen everyone before you die and day by day sees horrific injustice.

how long should you want to live in such a world? one or two centuries ok; one or two millennia not ok?

Re: Unselfish People Are More Likely to Wind Up with Depression

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The point here seems to be that unselfish people are more empathetic to the plight of others. while I don't disagree I wonder if unselfishness leads people into situations where they work towards others benefit (people they perceive as being treated unfairly) at their own detriment also possibly leading to issues with depression. That's the point I presumed the article would make before I read it.

When I see people talk about living indefinitely around here in threads that come up occasionally, it does make me wonder if they are on the other side of some selfishness cutoff. It's weird to think that you'd be interested in living for centuries or longer in a world that has seen everyone before you die and day by day sees horrific injustice. It's almost solipsistic. The same dynamic exists with those hundred mill…

I can't imagine being so empathic that you wouldn't want to live a long time. Since there's horrific injustice going on this very moment are you just biding your time hoping for death?

Re: Unselfish People Are More Likely to Wind Up with Depression

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Canary in the coal mine. Depression may be a social illness because people with heighten empathy feel something is wrong with the system around them resulting in depression. That seems a stronger argument then some macro economic argument about ill defined inequality.

Depression has higher incidences in individualistic and affluent western societies. One probably analysis, agreeing with what you said, is that the "something wrong" is the lack of social cohesion that prosperity and modernity have brought. The broader direction of our culture for >100 years has lead to the breakdown of institutions that maintain social cohesion in favor of personal autonomy and expression (which those same social institutions, to varying degrees, inhibit).

That's the trade off for placing personal autonomy and self-expression at the paramount of social priorities--the guard rails come off.

Re: Unselfish People Are More Likely to Wind Up with Depression

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I can't tell where they flipped the directionality around for the headline, because the first line of the article is "People with depression are more likely to feel bad in response to perceived inequality" and the rest of the article sticks to that finding. It seems intuitive that people with depression are more likely to feel bad in response to X, for all X.

It looks like the author is assuming the converse, and also assuming that perceiving inequality is the same as being unselfish. All in all, the title is quite misleading.

Re: Unselfish People Are More Likely to Wind Up with Depression

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

When I see people talk about living indefinitely around here in threads that come up occasionally, it does make me wonder if they are on the other side of some selfishness cutoff. It's weird to think that you'd be interested in living for centuries or longer in a world that has seen everyone before you die and day by day sees horrific injustice. It's almost solipsistic. The same dynamic exists with those hundred mill…

It's weird to think that you'd be interested in living for centuries or longer in a world that has seen everyone before you die and day by day sees horrific injustice. This seems a weird argument to me, because it works just as well if you replace "years" (or even months) for "centuries".

Not really. I can see wanting to live an extra 20-30 years if you're 60. Less so if you're 80. Starts to get weird if you're over 100.

I'll be happy if I make 75 and I'll view every day after that as a gift and not something I deserve.

Re: Unselfish People Are More Likely to Wind Up with Depression

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The point here seems to be that unselfish people are more empathetic to the plight of others. while I don't disagree I wonder if unselfishness leads people into situations where they work towards others benefit (people they perceive as being treated unfairly) at their own detriment also possibly leading to issues with depression. That's the point I presumed the article would make before I read it.

When I see people talk about living indefinitely around here in threads that come up occasionally, it does make me wonder if they are on the other side of some selfishness cutoff. It's weird to think that you'd be interested in living for centuries or longer in a world that has seen everyone before you die and day by day sees horrific injustice. It's almost solipsistic. The same dynamic exists with those hundred mill…

Like most people, I don't control the world and my actions have minuscule impacts on the global scale. As such I find caring about things outside of my control a rather egotistical standpoint.

There is nothing selfish about focusing on things that I can impact, and recognizing your a tiny fish in the vastness of space.

Re: Unselfish People Are More Likely to Wind Up with Depression

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I can't tell where they flipped the directionality around for the headline, because the first line of the article is "People with depression are more likely to feel bad in response to perceived inequality" and the rest of the article sticks to that finding. It seems intuitive that people with depression are more likely to feel bad in response to X, for all X.

Yeah... The headline and the rest of the article are out of sync.

It's not "Unselfish People Are More Likely to Wind Up with Depression", it's "People who Wind Up with Depression Are More Likely to be Unselfish". Which kind of sounds like a non-story.

Re: Unselfish People Are More Likely to Wind Up with Depression

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'd love to read more literature about this phenomenon. Do you have any?

I can't tell how sincere this is. Is it a polite way of saying "citation needed"?

A little of column A, a little of column B.
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