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HTTP is obsolete. It's time for the Distributed Web (2015)

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Re: HTTP is obsolete. It's time for the Distributed Web (2015)

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post #49

Why are distributed filesystems like IPFS so popular again these days ? Freenet has been around (and super niche) for close to 20 years soon. Is it because the Bitcoin hype has reinvigorated crypto-anarchists?

A bit of that, a bit of new people realizing the potential and giving it their best shot. I've spoken to a lot of people who say that Freenet was fun, but just too damn slow to be usable.

Re: HTTP is obsolete. It's time for the Distributed Web (2015)

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Despite the attractiveness of a distributed web - which we already have it (you do know how it works don't you?) And it is incredibly difficult to upgrade and patch; leaving it incredibly insecure. How many of those distributed web servers are still vulnerable to Heartbleed as just one example? We need better ideas...

Re: HTTP is obsolete. It's time for the Distributed Web (2015)

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post #35

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That's how these things always work, by saying "it will work one day." If it would work, and the cost benefit ratio were there, people would adopt it quickly. That's what happens with just about everything else.

Mo it isn't. I was trying to get small-medium businesses interested in a thing called email in 1990 and it was a hard sell.

Of course it was a hard sell! The cost/benefit wasn't right for that business in 1990...

Re: HTTP is obsolete. It's time for the Distributed Web (2015)

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post #112

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> "Distributed filesystems and CDN in general are great, but let's use them for things that do not actually need a single bit of security, please." The notion that distributed filesystems are inherently, or can't be, secure is way off. I would argue that with these technologies, such as IPFS, they can be more secure. The use cases are not only "open databases" (by which I assume you mean open to public), private data…

http://scuttlebot.io/more/protocols/secure-scuttlebutt.html >"Unforgeable" means that only the owner of a feed can update that feed, as enforced by digital signing (see Security properties). https://github.com/ssbc/patchwork >You have to follow somebody to get messages from them, so you won't get spammed. Doesn't that make it completely pointless because updates are still centralised? It merely shifted trusting a sin…

But it is scaleable. On scuttlebot you follow people just like you have friends in real life. I also don't need to ask the government permission to talk to that person. That is DEcentralized for you right there.

Re: HTTP is obsolete. It's time for the Distributed Web (2015)

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post #49

Why are distributed filesystems like IPFS so popular again these days ? Freenet has been around (and super niche) for close to 20 years soon. Is it because the Bitcoin hype has reinvigorated crypto-anarchists?

For a couple of reasons:

- Because these centralized walled gardens were DOA; people just didn't realized it yet. Personally, I never saw any of the currently popular social network platforms as offering anything significant over the AOL of yesteryear.

- Now that its been shown Facebook and Google actively monitor and restrict content that doesn't align with their narratives, folks are becoming wary of centralization.

Re: HTTP is obsolete. It's time for the Distributed Web (2015)

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post #104

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It's still a good example because the government in your country probably mandated it. People didn't just switch on their own accord.

IBTD. This is mostly an educational issue. Here in Germany the metric system was introduced in 1872 [1], and compared to other European countries we were already late to the party. That's plenty of time for transition. The last generation who didn't work with the metric system is dead for a very, very long time. [1] The history is actually more complicated, but let's not get into that.

Nicholas Nassim Taleb on the logic of the imperial system: https://www.facebook.com/nntaleb/posts/10153932393103375

Re: HTTP is obsolete. It's time for the Distributed Web (2015)

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post #64

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A distributed web (including proper mesh networks) has the potential of changing the status quo from constantly worrying about data limits and "I don't have any wifi" to "normal" people having constant "internet" access everywhere they go. I think they don't care much about the underlying technology, but they will notice when some apps work faster and without a mobile data connection when others don't.

> changing the status quo from constantly worrying about data limits and "I don't have any wifi" to "normal" people having constant "internet" access everywhere they go. So will rapidly increasing data allowances and cellular coverage. Plenty of European countries have effectively unlimited data packages and effectively complete network coverage. Crucially, whatever gaps there are in this are very likely to get fille…

I am glad you are in a country where that seems to be the case or are just more optimistic.

The status quo however is colleagues of mine discussing which of the main carriers to choose to get decent 3G/LTE coverage in Berlin(!), after all these years of progrrss, so I think it's worth to consider other options. Rural Germany is even worse. My data caps are also about the same (less than double) as they have been 5 years ago.

Even if it won't take over as the dominant technology, it might create enough pressure on the carriers to act.

Re: HTTP is obsolete. It's time for the Distributed Web (2015)

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post #27

It's kind of funny that the example link to a "permanent" object still returns a 404 ("ipfs resolve -r /ipns/QmTodvhq9CUS9hH8rirt4YmihxJKZ5tYez8PtDmpWrVMKP: Could not resolve name.") I totally want the web to magically be distributed too, but clearly not even the author is bothering to host their IPFS content anymore...

> IPNS isn’t done yet, so if that link doesn’t work, don’t fret. Just know that I will be able to change what that pubkeyhash points to, but the pubkeyhash will always remain the same. When it’s done, it will solve the site updating problem.

Yeah, I saw that, but it's two years later and it still doesn't work? Not to be snarky, but my limited understanding is that IPNS is really the only novel part of IPFS anyway; if I just want to share a file peer-to-peer based on the hash of the content, bittorrent has existed for ages.

It just seems silly to talk about how HTTP is unreliable because your severs might go down, when the alternative "serverless" architecture you're hyping doesn't work either. I'm totally on board with the aims of IPFS and hope they accomplish all the things they're trying to do, but to say HTTP is obsolete when HTTP works and IPFS doesn't (yet) is just a little too much...

Re: HTTP is obsolete. It's time for the Distributed Web (2015)

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I need to comment because people are missing the point... there's nothing in this text that says the web won't need servers. Imagine that you and some friends want to launch a small local business and need to host a website. Instead of paying to host it "up in the cloud", why not plug a few raspberry pi's into the walls at each of your houses? Between that and also seeding it from your laptops, the site should have d…

> Imagine that you and some friends want to launch a small local business and need to host a website. Instead of paying to host it "up in the cloud", why not plug a few raspberry pi's into the walls at each of your houses? Setup, updates, maintenance, tech support, and uptime guarantees, just to name a few reasons that "the cloud" is better. A service like Wordpress.com or Wix beats the self-hosted Pi on all of these…

I have thought about this a bit lately. Social media can be a very convenient way to keep up to date with people, and to allow people to keep up to date with you. But it has real costs.

I abandoned my Facebook account many years ago and refuse to set up a new one. As a result, it is difficult for my children to interact with me. They post their lives on Facebook, but they don't open that up to the public. So only specific Facebook accounts get to see what they share. That excludes me.

I have to open myself to Facebook to see their content. Alternatively, they could set up non-Facebook websites and "blog" their lives there. But that is harder than just using Facebook, and gets really hard if you want to keep it viewable only by select people. And then I would have to set up an account on their server to be able to see their content. Multiply that by all the people I would have to set up an account with and it's obviously unworkable pretty quickly.

I still hate Facebook, and refuse to set up an account with them. But I recognize that the alternatives are not pretty.

Edit: typos

Re: HTTP is obsolete. It's time for the Distributed Web (2015)

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post #2

HTTP is not obsolete, it might be outdated, but words have meaning and HTTP one of the most used protocols there is, calling it obsolete is silly.

Totally agree. You can make distributed apps that uses HTTP. The IPFS project have interesting ideas about immutable links to data.
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