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It’s time to give Firefox another chance

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Re: It’s time to give Firefox another chance

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jorvi wrote: post #116
pps wrote: post #52

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This was what I was thinking, until three days ago someone mentioned here about Bitwarden. It's perfect, no more LP for me, you should try it too :) https://bitwarden.com/

Why is it people never offer 1Password as an alternative? Sure, it's paid and slightly more expensive, but they have regular security audits and their apps on each platform are really well made and second to none. Their change logs are also always a pleasure to read, they even mention each bug by issue tracker number! Only problem is no Linux app.

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Re: It’s time to give Firefox another chance

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Post by robin_reala »

_Codemonkeyism wrote: post #568
ricw wrote: post #259

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That is not representative of either the time frame or the resources available to Mozilla. Mozilla has had Hundreds of millions of annual income through their search associations [1]. It’s surprising how they’ve wasted that amount of money to finally in 2017 build a browser that can compete again. This is 9 years after google chrome was released! They have absolutely no excuse for falling this far behind. They squand…

Exactly (saying this as a FF user since Mosaic times and writing in FF). There was money, millions of it, and it attracted many people who captured the browser, sidelined it, spent the money on their ideological pet projects (OS, ...) and then moved on, leaving the browser behind. After decades of FF I will soon abandon it when it no longer runs vertical tree tabs.

You know that Tree Style Tabs 2.0 supports Firefox 57+ right? https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/tree-style-ta...

Re: It’s time to give Firefox another chance

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Post by kuschku »

Someone wrote: post #564
tzs wrote: post #498

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(Responding out of order) > No, Apple is no saint in this story. Nowhere did I say or imply that Apple was a saint. All I said was that LGPL allows linking with closed code and distributing the resulting work without having to make the closed code open, and that Apple could have structured WebKit in such a way as to keep most of their code from having to be made open. This is the main difference between GPL and LGPL,…

Also (3) Apple had poured way more resources into this than the khtml developers had available. Since Apple kept its work secret for business reasons, that meant that, once Apple published their fork, the sheer amount of changes overwhelmed the KHTML developers (WebKit wasn’t just a port of KHTML; it broadened support for html features)

Yes, but they didn’t even attempt to get it merged, nor did they provide the changes on a per-commit level, but only as a single sourcedump with all comments etc removed.

This made integration impossible.

Re: It’s time to give Firefox another chance

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Post by oatmealsnap »

agumonkey wrote: post #150
rightos wrote: post #2

I was extremely skeptical of all the changes they were doing - I said it myself 100 times, "they're just building a Chrome clone, they're killing all the features I like in favor of speed". But here I am, running Nightly because holy shit this thing flies. Their work has paid off and they're not even done yet. Webrender is coming, it's not quite stable enough for daily use yet (mostly just graphics glitching and inte…

The amount of work, the extent for how long they've been doing so, all relative to the funding they got.. it's even painful to think about. Chrome shadowed them overnight, had Google infinite wallet and started from scratch. Mozilla became the old slug.. Since then they got Rust off ground, servo yielding good fruits, firefox cool n quiet. Once again kudos.

Sorry, that’s just not what happened. I think there’s an important lesson in what happened to Mozilla, so I think it is worth clarifying.

Chrome didn’t start from scratch (they used WebKit to start) and they didn’t overtake them overnight. Mozilla couldn’t decide what their focus should be for many years, and in that time Chrome grew thanks to Google’s infinite wallet. They made worthwhile risks that didn’t work out in the end, and during this period their core product stopped improving and they eventually needed an extensive and expensive rewrite.

I think the lesson here is this: if you’re going to invest in experimental products, don’t forget about keeping your core technology up to date.

Re: It’s time to give Firefox another chance

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Post by noncoml »

syshum wrote: post #537
bad_user wrote: post #483

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I personally love Pocket, it's my bookmarking service and I'm a paying customer. And staying true to their mission, Mozilla bought Pocket and is now releasing it as open source [1]. You're speaking of "betraying the foundation of the Open Web", but Mozilla is the only one out of the big players that isn't guilty of betrayal, the only big player that tried opposing patent encumbered video codecs or DRM, that have been…

>>and is now releasing it as open source I will believe that when I see the code. 7 months now still no code, and outside of the single blog post no other comments from Pocket, Read It later, or Mozilla has given any indication they will Open Source it. In fact Read It Later is still a for profit corporations operating as a subsidiary of the For Profit Mozilla Corporation, not the Mozilla Foundation the non-profit or…

I share your views and I am as angry as you are, but I think you are idealizing the Mozilla of the past.

I always felt that Mozilla was just forced in a role it never really wanted.

If you remember Mozilla was a child of the browser wars and my guesss is that if Netscape wasn’t cornered by MS it would still be closed source today.

Even today you can see that business is still in their DNA, the for-profit subsidiary.

However although Mozilla is far from perfect, they are our only hope.

Re: It’s time to give Firefox another chance

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Post by Karunamon »

robin_reala wrote: post #572
_Codemonkeyism wrote: post #568

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Exactly (saying this as a FF user since Mosaic times and writing in FF). There was money, millions of it, and it attracted many people who captured the browser, sidelined it, spent the money on their ideological pet projects (OS, ...) and then moved on, leaving the browser behind. After decades of FF I will soon abandon it when it no longer runs vertical tree tabs.

You know that Tree Style Tabs 2.0 supports Firefox 57+ right? https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/tree-style-ta...

I saw that - wish I could get rid of the obnoxious header though, just a frame on the left would be ideal.

Re: It’s time to give Firefox another chance

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Post by skinnymuch »

tajen wrote: post #191
Sideloader wrote: post #4

Firefox has been my daily driver for 2-3 years now. I’d switched to Chrome several years before that but when FF fixed its lag issues I went back right away. Mozilla overplay the “not for profit” card but with Google you can be sure they are collecting and archiving absolutely everything that passes through their servers.

Firefox is fast but I'm using several profiles (one for programming websites, one for sysadmin accounts, one for personal, one for politics) and running ~3 instances is sluggish. Chrome has built-in profile management so it's just as fast with 1 or 3 instances. I don't believe it's such an unusual usecase, even my parents ask me all the time how to protect their privacy. A good idea that Ted Cruz might have missed.

Yeah I'd really like built in profile support. Tab containers aren't the same thing for me. Neither is the round about way of using profiles currently in Firefox.

Re: It’s time to give Firefox another chance

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Post by skinnymuch »

Karunamon wrote: post #317
freehunter wrote: post #223

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There are an awful lot of green user names lately shutting down conversations using things like "citation needed" or "prove it" on subjects where it's completely inconsequential or the conclusion is obvious. Everyone can easily see how old your account is and the devs of HN made it that way on purpose. Apologies if anyone here isn't willing to bend over backwards for the demands of an account that wasn't even created…

This kind of personal attacking is totally uncalled for here. Either their statement is correct or it is not, either Chrome is doing tracking on the sly or it is not. Either there is proof, or there is not. The burden of proof is on the one making the argument. So which is it?

But we are talking about green accounts here. Literally colored green usernames. Why is HN doing that if not to indicate they are new accounts?

Re: It’s time to give Firefox another chance

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Post by skinnymuch »

yuhong wrote: post #140
Sylos wrote: post #138

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And known to contain questionable things. https://github.com/Eloston/ungoogled-chromium

The point is how it compares to Firefox though.

The github repo shows it compares poorly to Firefox for privacy.
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