How the Catalan government uses IPFS to sidestep Spain's legal block • Hacker News Board

Re: How the Catalan government uses IPFS to sidestep Spain's legal block

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Post by MrDosu » Sat, Sep 30, 2017, 9:33 AM UTC

amelius wrote: post #112

As an outsider, it's strange that nobody here seems to question whether the referendum really makes sense. Forgetting about Catalonia for a moment, isn't it fundamentally amoral that a part of the country where prosperity has (by mere chance) concentrated suddenly wants to split off? Isn't this taking wealth-inequality to the next level? Of course the people in a prosperous part of the country want to split off. Abso…

As a german i find the economic reasons of "why should we pay for the poor people" highly ironic...

That's what we all founded europe for... stronger together!

Re: How the Catalan government uses IPFS to sidestep Spain's legal block

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Post by enriquto » Sat, Sep 30, 2017, 9:38 AM UTC

Summary of instructions to add a ipfs node for this site :

  wget https://dist.ipfs.io/go-ipfs/v0.4.11/go-ipfs_v0.4.11_linux-amd64.tar.gz
  tar zxf go-ipfs_v0.4.11_linux-amd64.tar.gz
  cd go-ipfs
  ./ipfs daemon &
  ./ipfs pin add QmZxWEBJBVkGDGaKdYPQUXX4KC5TCWbvuR4iYZrTML8XCR

The stuff goes into ~/.ipfs

Re: How the Catalan government uses IPFS to sidestep Spain's legal block

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Post by elecbit » Sat, Sep 30, 2017, 9:44 AM UTC

euyyn wrote: post #255

elecbit wrote: post #235

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However, United Nations experts don't think the same as you. http://www.ohchr.org/EN/NewsEvents/Pages/DisplayNews.aspx?Ne... Censorship in internet. Opening private letters. Political detentions and raids to political parties offices, searching for posters and ballots. Bringing 10000 policeman by boat to avoid a vote. Sound quite authoritarian to me.

I was actually quoting from your link. "The measures we are witnessing are worrying because they appear to violate fundamental individual rights". They are worrying because they appear to violate those rights. Of course, any such actual violation can be brought to court.

And all violations that have happened have been brought to the Spanish and European court. In some years I am sure Spain(or the rest of it) will have to pay for it.

Threats to the press, threats to polititians. Closing websites, chasing teenagers who fork a repo in github, opening mail, spying communications.

Check Julian Assange tweets to know a bit more about it. You cannot accuse him of being a part in this conflict. https://twitter.com/JulianAssange/status/914029345018122240

Re: How the Catalan government uses IPFS to sidestep Spain's legal block

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Post by elecbit » Sat, Sep 30, 2017, 9:47 AM UTC

euyyn wrote: post #258

goliatone wrote: post #241

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It could be argued that this platonic view is not very factual. If you look at how corruption is dealt with and the reticence to apply the same constitutional laws you can get a sense of how things work. There were numerous members of the royal house we could talk about, or politicians...

I mean, yeah. And a while ago a president pardoned a guy from the other party that had been sentenced to 10 years in prison for kidnapping. I think there's still a stretch from "there are corrupt politicians and the monarchy and president have a lot of undue influence over the judiciary" to "Catalans don't have freedom of expressions or are oppressed".

"Catalans don't have freedom of expressions or are oppressed" -> Catalans don't have the right to express themselves about independence? Is this taboo?

Re: How the Catalan government uses IPFS to sidestep Spain's legal block

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Post by lagadu » Sat, Sep 30, 2017, 9:51 AM UTC

amelius wrote: post #112

As an outsider, it's strange that nobody here seems to question whether the referendum really makes sense. Forgetting about Catalonia for a moment, isn't it fundamentally amoral that a part of the country where prosperity has (by mere chance) concentrated suddenly wants to split off? Isn't this taking wealth-inequality to the next level? Of course the people in a prosperous part of the country want to split off. Abso…

There's nothing sudden at all. They effectively lost their independence 300 years ago but the drive for independence has always been there (along, famously, with a few other parts of modern Spain). They have their own language, their own culture.

Their desire for independence has been around for hundreds of years.

But even if that wasn't the case: what's wrong with that? Why would a few million people that want to form a sovereign state have to be held hostage by the others just because they're wealthier?

Re: How the Catalan government uses IPFS to sidestep Spain's legal block

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Post by elecbit » Sat, Sep 30, 2017, 10:04 AM UTC

NetStrikeForce wrote: post #266

mrighele wrote: post #155

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Is that relevant when we talk about GDP ? Even if little money flows from Barcelona to the central government (I don't know if this is or is not the case, since I don't live in Spain), that shouldn't make a difference, since "GDP measures the monetary value of final goods and services - that is, those that are bought by the final user - produced in a country in a given period of time (say a quarter or a year)."[1] Ma…

There are 16 billion per year going from Catalonia to Spain without return. But not only that, the centralisation of government powers and agencies have created a problem where many big companies have to be in Madrid even if most their operations are in other parts of the country. That makes their taxes to be paid in Madrid instead of e.g. Valencia, Bilbao or Barcelona. The amount of taxes lost because of this is HUG…

CNI (Centro Nacional de Inteligencia), like CIA in Spain, is working a lot to hide this comments and arguments. You can see a lot of comments which are the same speech as Partido Popular.

In the Catalan media they appear in waves, polluting all the comments and making the discussion unbearable.

They are also holding cyberatacks to the Catalan News Agency so we cannot inform outside.

They have also closed aerial space, so drones cannot fly and take pictures of massive demonstrations tomorrow if we cannot vote.

Google censors an app from Google Play which was telling people where to vote, after Spanish court forces it: https://twitter.com/thespainreport/status/913798991539777537 https://twitter.com/JulianAssange/status/913812096319737857

And more geopolitical info: https://twitter.com/JulianAssange/status/913920102411718656

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Re: How the Catalan government uses IPFS to sidestep Spain's legal block

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Post by mvc » Sat, Sep 30, 2017, 10:06 AM UTC

azernik wrote: post #347

gfiorav wrote: post #179

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Wasn’t this the succession war between Habsburg and Borbon dynasties? I’ve seen some depictions in paintings [1] where you can see soldiers from the Habsburg (wearing the Catalan berretinas) porting a Spanish flag... I believe it was more a war for two different models for Spain, not for independence or anything like that. Sounds like revisionism to me. [1] http://www.msde.es/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/2-Embarque-de-…

Generally, nationalist movements appropriate historical events (particularly wars), which were not at the time national in character, in order to create a historic narrative for their nationalism. See e.g. the place of Battle of the White Mountain (Thirty Years' War) in Czech nationalism, or the place of the Battle of al-Qadisiyya in Iraqi nationalism.

Generally establishment movements just start brand new wars (or re-open old ones) in order to create a current narrative for their nationalism. See e.g. Thatcher, Blair, Bush (1 and 2), and now Trump

Re: How the Catalan government uses IPFS to sidestep Spain's legal block

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Post by elecbit » Sat, Sep 30, 2017, 10:07 AM UTC

pvaldes wrote: post #354

monort wrote: post #236

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What's wrong with independence of small groups? The more governments - the more competition. Why are we against big monopolies in every area, except the state services?

> What's wrong with independence of small groups? The extinction Being smaller is stupid when you need to compete with much bigger countries in the rest of the world. It doesn't work in the practise.

Then, let us Catalans be stupid and go to extintion ourselves. We will probably be fine. If you want us to be in Spain, please seduce us instead of forbid us everything.

I haven't heard of any new independent country asking to be part again of the former one.

Re: How the Catalan government uses IPFS to sidestep Spain's legal block

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Post by euyyn » Sat, Sep 30, 2017, 10:10 AM UTC

toyg wrote: post #407

euyyn wrote: post #288

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That Constitution was voted in referendum by the whole country, and the support it got in Catalonia was even greater than in Madrid. > the people most oppressed by Franco Let's at least agree that this is subjective.

People voted for a dramatic improvement in the status quo, not necessarily for a perfect document. It was drafted by 7 hand-picked representatives, 4 of which were basically franchists, and ratified by franchist institutions before being put to a popular vote. Had it been written in a more democratic way, by an assembly of people elected democratically, maybe it would have been different and more respectful of differ…

That is pure revisionism.

> It was drafted by 7 hand-picked representatives, 4 of which were basically franchists

Two out of the seven writers of the Constitution were Catalan (~1/3 of the writers for ~1/6 of the population). One of them a communist. The other one, exiled during the dictatorship for supporting Catalan nationalism.

> ratified by franchist institutions before being put to a popular vote

Before being put to a popular vote, it was ratified by the Congress that resulted from the first free elections in Spain in 40 years. The francoist party of Fraga only won 16/350 seats in that Congress; comparable to the 11 seats obtained by the Catalan party of Pujol. Half the seats had been won by centrist voters, and the other half by marxist voters.

This Congress was our "assembly of people elected democratically", that could tell the writers to go back to their drafts until the result was to their liking. Those seven writers, by the way, weren't "hand-picked": they were picked by that Congress, among their members; they were all freely-elected representatives.

Re: How the Catalan government uses IPFS to sidestep Spain's legal block

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Post by elecbit » Sat, Sep 30, 2017, 10:15 AM UTC

euyyn wrote: post #198

elecbit wrote: post #158

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Tyranny is a group not allowing another group to decide what to do. Hear yourself: "the referendum is not legal". Such a nice view of what democracy is. So willing to vote and say goodbye to this bla-bla-bla-this is not legal, that is not legal. Good bye opressors. My deceased family in the war the dicator won will be really happy if we can finally separate. Too many open wounds you have never tried to heal.

> Tyranny is a group not allowing another group to decide what to do. It's easier to separate Communists from non-Communists, because each of us gets to vote to only one party, than Catalans from non-Catalans. And even though Communists are a clear minority in Spain, you'd be hard pressed to find one that equates "not having a majority in Congress" with "being victims of a tyranny". If your family lived under the dic…

The problem here is that all the inheritants of the Franco dictatorship and their mentailty are still in the power, thanks to the Spanish transition in which the Dictator passed the power to the King. Then promoted a bi-party politics where the minorities would never be able to change anything.

It is not fair and Catalonia is fighting (again) to change it.