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Re: How the Catalan government uses IPFS to sidestep Spain's legal block

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Post by justin66 »

joe_the_user wrote: post #237
justin66 wrote: post #122

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The NORMAL reaction by the state is to apply it, and stop the Catalan government from breaking it. It's interesting that you think so. I'd say the normal thing to do would be to issue a press release pointing out that the results aren't legally binding under the constitution and whoever wastes government money running a referendum on the thing might be held criminally or civilly liable. Actually trying to STOP the…

This is incorrect. If, for example, the State Of California, in the US, were to organize, without constitutional mandate, an "official" referendum calling for succession, Federal Marshall would be all over that in a blink of an eye. And I'd agree that heavy-handed action gives the Calatan separatists quite a boost ... for the short term. But states don't really have choice about enforcing the law when a significant a…

> If, for example, the State Of California, in the US, were to organize, without constitutional mandate, an "official" referendum calling for succession, Federal Marshall would be all over that in a blink of an eye.

It would not be illegal under federal law for California to hold a referendum on secession. It wouldn't mean anything at all. It would be legally equivalent to my planting a big red flag in the turf at a National Park and claiming that land in the name of Portugal. (it's a crime - littering - if you leave the flag there when you leave) The Federal Marshals could watch if they wanted to.

A number of actions taken by the state of California after the referendum would probably be illegal under federal law, unless the people of California held the referendum and passed it and the state officials in California simply ignored it. You'd expect that to cause a constitutional crisis at the state level in California, and that might eventually bubble up to the federal courts.

If the referendum passed and the state actually started to behave independently and take liberties with federal property, all sorts of things would start to go wrong for them. You don't really need to get heavy handed with federal law enforcement in that case. Not when you control the Federal Reserve Banks and pretty much everything else. There's a whole path of escalation you could follow in the courts before federal agents would start arresting people, but even if you want to get right to that you have to wait for them to commit actual crimes.

Re: How the Catalan government uses IPFS to sidestep Spain's legal block

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Post by bonzini »

NetStrikeForce wrote: post #341
bonzini wrote: post #332

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Could Catalunya strike trade deals with the EU even?

Sure it can. It already meets all the requirements to be a member, EU law is ingrained in Catalan law, it has the ability to negotiate and state structures. It just needs to be an independent country. It would be better to be in the EU, but meanwhile that happens some bilateral trade deals with the EU should be relatively easy to accomplish. If you're referring to recognition as a country, that's a separate and huge…

Re. that being worse than Brexit, I definitely agree.

But one of the requirements for entering the EU is unanimous approval from the other countries. That is not going to happen for Catalunya.

Re: How the Catalan government uses IPFS to sidestep Spain's legal block

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Post by anthk »

NetStrikeForce wrote: post #278
kgwgk wrote: post #195

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> My grandfather was Basque, he spoke Batua, the original Basque language in his village [...] The language was unified less than 100 years ago [...] Actually “batua” means “unified” and is the name given to the modern variant that you talk about.

And that's just the tip of the iceberg of all the non-sense that comment spouted. Getting something so basic that wrong... Geez.

These people in my country are called just fascists. Or retards, realistically.

Because the "batua" is based on the Navarrese-Gipuzkoan subdialect. Kinda like "castellano normativo de la RAE" and "castellano de Castilla".

Inb4: a Basque here.

Re: How the Catalan government uses IPFS to sidestep Spain's legal block

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Post by petre »

KuiN wrote: post #309
gerdesj wrote: post #298

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Its a funny old world mate (I'm English) and I despise seeing censorship like this. I will also see what I can find in my toy box to assist Catalunya in expressing themselves democratically. (I would rather GB stayed in one piece but if push came to shove, I'd probably do the same here in similar circumstances - there is no excuse for this heavy handed nonsense)

It's not often I find myself agreeing with a UK unionist but it's a point of honour that the Scottish referendum 2014 passed off largely as an orderly point of democracy. Westminster is often seen as heavy-handed North of the border but everyone is proud of that expression of democracy (however there are still words to be had about subsequent political events!).

At least the UK gov't wasn't banning Scottish referendum websites.

Re: How the Catalan government uses IPFS to sidestep Spain's legal block

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Post by ArturSoler »

gfiorav wrote: post #179
antaviana wrote: post #31

"Basically, the code recurses a sha256 computation 1714 times to get a lookup key, and then once more to get a password for decryption." This is an Easter Egg. Barcelona fell on September 11, 1714 during the War of Spanish Succession and with that Catalonia's freedom as well. September 11 is the National Day of Catalonia. Also, at 17:14 of each and every game of FC Barcelona in Camp Nou Stadium, Barcelona fans claim…

Wasn’t this the succession war between Habsburg and Borbon dynasties? I’ve seen some depictions in paintings [1] where you can see soldiers from the Habsburg (wearing the Catalan berretinas) porting a Spanish flag... I believe it was more a war for two different models for Spain, not for independence or anything like that. Sounds like revisionism to me. [1] http://www.msde.es/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/2-Embarque-de-…

That wasn't the Spanish flag until 70 years later, in 1785.

Re: How the Catalan government uses IPFS to sidestep Spain's legal block

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Post by krab »

I don't understand why would you need to know a person's details to tell where he should vote. In Czech Republic, you can tell just from your address of residency. It's usually the closest one to your registered address. Therefore, it should be enough to publish just the list of locations and the areas they serve.

Re: How the Catalan government uses IPFS to sidestep Spain's legal block

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Post by jarofgreen »

gotbeans wrote: post #222
jarofgreen wrote: post #212

"In the where to vote? page, you are prompted to enter some of your details: DNI (national id), Birth date, Zip code" Wait a second, can someone from the area explain this? Why on earth do they need your ID number just to tell you where to vote? In my country (UK) 99% of the time all you need is a postcode and you can be told your voting place. (I say 99% because there are a few postcodes that are split across differ…

Catalan here. Your ID is bound to a place to vote based on "where you live" registration. You can't just vote from anywhere.

> You can't just vote from anywhere.

I'm not in any way saying you should be able to. You can't in my country either.

I'm just surprised that you need your ZIP & ID & DO to find out where you vote, because in my country you can find out where you vote with only your ZIP.

Re: How the Catalan government uses IPFS to sidestep Spain's legal block

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Post by jarofgreen »

guilhas wrote: post #316
jarofgreen wrote: post #212

"In the where to vote? page, you are prompted to enter some of your details: DNI (national id), Birth date, Zip code" Wait a second, can someone from the area explain this? Why on earth do they need your ID number just to tell you where to vote? In my country (UK) 99% of the time all you need is a postcode and you can be told your voting place. (I say 99% because there are a few postcodes that are split across differ…

But in UK, if you don't fill the form to register for vote in your residence area you are fined.

True, but irrelevant. I'm not talking about voter registration.

I'm talking about simply offering an information service that answers the question "Where do I vote?" - that's what the OP is about - and in the UK, 99% of the time you can answer that with only someone's postcode.

Re: How the Catalan government uses IPFS to sidestep Spain's legal block

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Post by skrebbel »

SapphireSun wrote: post #123
amelius wrote: post #112

As an outsider, it's strange that nobody here seems to question whether the referendum really makes sense. Forgetting about Catalonia for a moment, isn't it fundamentally amoral that a part of the country where prosperity has (by mere chance) concentrated suddenly wants to split off? Isn't this taking wealth-inequality to the next level? Of course the people in a prosperous part of the country want to split off. Abso…

The part that makes it even more confusing for me is that their party, Podemos, is a real left party which you'd expect to be against increasing income inequality. I expect that the situation in Spain is much more complex than we give it credit for. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Podemos_(Spanish_political_par... EDIT: added link, changed "socialist" to "left"

Lots of left flavored parties are for "income equality, except for foreigners"

PVV in the Netherlands or Dansk Folkeparti in Denmark come to mind. I don't know enough about Podemos to know where to put them, but there's nothing contradicting about left leaning parties and nationalism.

Re: How the Catalan government uses IPFS to sidestep Spain's legal block

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Post by skrebbel »

azernik wrote: post #350
jacquesm wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Governments usually do not like to give up the money making portions of their countries and neither does the population of the rest of the country. You never see a poor part of a country seceding (well, other than Quebec maybe).

> You never see a poor part of a country seceding Ireland from the UK, Slovakia from Czechoslovakia, Kosovo from Serbia, the bits of Poland that were in Austria-Hungary or Germany from those two empires, pretty much every single European overseas colonial possession... Not to mention all the widely-supported secessionist movements that have failed militarily in the Indian northeast, in the Chinese west, or in the Rus…

You have a great point except that jacquesm isn't American.
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