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It’s time to give Firefox another chance

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Re: It’s time to give Firefox another chance

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Post by mconley »

pivotal wrote: post #342
andrew3726 wrote: post #323

Earlier quoted context omitted.

on which firefox version? have you tried nightly?

I've been running Nightly and experienced the same thing with inbox. If I attempt to interact with it before fully loaded, inbox will freeze up for minutes at a time. Love everything else about nightly, this is my biggest issue.

Hi! Firefox engineer here, and I want to understand why your Firefox is misbehaving.

Would you be willing to provide us a performance profile? Instructions are here: https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Mozilla/Performance...

Feel free to email it to me if you don't want to post the link publicly. I'm mconley at mozilla dot com.

Re: It’s time to give Firefox another chance

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Post by eat_veggies »

EpicEng wrote: post #258

I did, didn't work, went back to Chrome. It was faster and had a smaller memory footprint than I remember, which was great. It also started stuttering on my macs every ~5 seconds or so. The page would just lock up. Couldn't find a solution. The only hints were to disable graphics acceleration, but those were years old. On my windows machines it crashed, and crashed hard. Single tab has an issue, the entire browser cr…

For pre beta software, that's perfectly understandable.

Re: It’s time to give Firefox another chance

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Post by mconley »

criddell wrote: post #280
JoBrad wrote: post #273

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You're not lying - I just downloaded it, and it is crazy fast. GMail (maybe not the best metric, but an important one for me) loads about twice as fast as in Chrome, and scrolling has no stuttering at all, even on very long pages. I may actually make the switch.

I was actually thinking about switching to Chrome because of GMail (or rather Inbox). When I open Inbox in Firefox, it can take 20 to 30 seconds for the cursor to stop spinning and I have a 300 Mbps connection.

Hi! Firefox engineer here. Check out this reply: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=15371068

If you're interested in helping me figure out what's going on here, feel free to send me a performance profile.

Re: It’s time to give Firefox another chance

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Post by coffee-- »

Turing_Machine wrote: post #354
kenhwang wrote: post #76

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Rust was pretty much designed to solve problems for Firefox. It's IMO the best bet Mozilla has made these last few years and we're just starting to see them reaping the rewards.

How much Rust is actually in the new Firefox? I'm not seeing any based on a casual click-around in the repo, though I'll freely admit I haven't scanned the entire source tree. Edit: if there is any, can someone give me a link to the part of the source tree that has it?

the FIDO U2F code is rust: http://searchfox.org/mozilla-central/source/dom/webauthn/u2f...

otherwise here's the list: http://searchfox.org/mozilla-central/search?q=&path=*.rs%24

Re: It’s time to give Firefox another chance

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Post by kenhwang »

Turing_Machine wrote: post #354
kenhwang wrote: post #76

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Rust was pretty much designed to solve problems for Firefox. It's IMO the best bet Mozilla has made these last few years and we're just starting to see them reaping the rewards.

How much Rust is actually in the new Firefox? I'm not seeing any based on a casual click-around in the repo, though I'll freely admit I haven't scanned the entire source tree. Edit: if there is any, can someone give me a link to the part of the source tree that has it?

Read about the first bit of Rust shipping here: https://hacks.mozilla.org/2016/07/shipping-rust-in-firefox/

And many of the Rust things that make FF56+ fast can be found here: https://wiki.mozilla.org/Quantum

Re: It’s time to give Firefox another chance

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Post by Turing_Machine »

coffee-- wrote: post #364
Turing_Machine wrote: post #354

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How much Rust is actually in the new Firefox? I'm not seeing any based on a casual click-around in the repo, though I'll freely admit I haven't scanned the entire source tree. Edit: if there is any, can someone give me a link to the part of the source tree that has it?

the FIDO U2F code is rust: http://searchfox.org/mozilla-central/source/dom/webauthn/u2f... otherwise here's the list: http://searchfox.org/mozilla-central/search?q=&path=*.rs%24

Thanks.

Re: It’s time to give Firefox another chance

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Post by clouddrover »

Yetanfou wrote: post #25

I use Firefox, Seamonkey and Chromium in rotation to make sure that anything web-related I build works is somewhat cross-browser compatible. While FF 57 is usable on my Thinkpad 42p I can not say it is twice as fast as the previous version. Maybe the speedup depends on having a multi-core CPU, something which is notably absent in this 2004-vintage machine. Be that as it may, I think FF 57 is about as fast as its pred…

> While FF 57 is usable on my Thinkpad 42p I can not say it is twice as fast as the previous version.

I think their specific claim was twice as fast as Firefox 52 on one benchmark:

https://blog.mozilla.org/firefox/quantum-performance-test/

Re: It’s time to give Firefox another chance

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Post by 3131s »

linkmotif wrote: post #356

I was just thinking I need to try Firefox again the other day. We need to give Firefox as many chances as it needs because it’s one of the most important projects on the Internet today.

Please do. There is something to be said for using open source technologies even when they are not the fastest or most full-featured.

And has Firefox on Linux always been more performant? Because over the years, as everyone else migrated away to Chrome, I never really noticed all of the things that were supposed to be so horrible about Firefox.

Re: It’s time to give Firefox another chance

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Post by yorwba »

clircle wrote: post #355
yorwba wrote: post #351

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There's a checkbox to control smooth scrolling in about:preferences#advanced , but I just tried both options and didn't notice any difference, neither when using the touchpad nor with j/k in Vimium-FF.

I have smooth scrolling disabled in about:prefs, which only disables it on my touchpad, not with vimium-ff

I just found "Use smooth scrolling" under Vimium's advanced options. Might be this page: moz-extension://78ac0671-3b7c-4a05-8771-f46ecdb2b65c/pages/options.html#advancedOptions unless that random string is unique per-user and I just broadcast my password.

Re: It’s time to give Firefox another chance

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Post by 3131s »

EpicEng wrote: post #258

I did, didn't work, went back to Chrome. It was faster and had a smaller memory footprint than I remember, which was great. It also started stuttering on my macs every ~5 seconds or so. The page would just lock up. Couldn't find a solution. The only hints were to disable graphics acceleration, but those were years old. On my windows machines it crashed, and crashed hard. Single tab has an issue, the entire browser cr…

> No thanks FF, I'll try again in another decade.

You should hope that you'll have the option to do so in a decade, or maybe by then we'll all be getting extorted by Google after they've strangled the open web to death.

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