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It’s time to give Firefox another chance

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Re: It’s time to give Firefox another chance

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So torn by this. I've always been a Firefox user and one of my favourite addons is Tab Groups. Unfortunately it will stop working with 57. I'm really keen to update to 57 but until Tab Groups gets updated I'm going to be sticking to 56. Please someone take over the dev!

I'm in the same boat; I might see if I can replace tab groups with tree style tabs, which is supported.

Re: It’s time to give Firefox another chance

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I was extremely skeptical of all the changes they were doing - I said it myself 100 times, "they're just building a Chrome clone, they're killing all the features I like in favor of speed". But here I am, running Nightly because holy shit this thing flies. Their work has paid off and they're not even done yet. Webrender is coming, it's not quite stable enough for daily use yet (mostly just graphics glitching and inte…

The amount of work, the extent for how long they've been doing so, all relative to the funding they got.. it's even painful to think about. Chrome shadowed them overnight, had Google infinite wallet and started from scratch. Mozilla became the old slug.. Since then they got Rust off ground, servo yielding good fruits, firefox cool n quiet. Once again kudos.

Chrome wasn't started from scratch. From day 1 it was built on top of the legacy laid by WebKit, which in turn was built on top of the huge amount of work done under the KHTML project. v8 and sandboxing were its crown jewels.

If Apple hadn't open-sourced WebKit, it's unlikely Chrome would have happened.

Re: It’s time to give Firefox another chance

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I was extremely skeptical of all the changes they were doing - I said it myself 100 times, "they're just building a Chrome clone, they're killing all the features I like in favor of speed". But here I am, running Nightly because holy shit this thing flies. Their work has paid off and they're not even done yet. Webrender is coming, it's not quite stable enough for daily use yet (mostly just graphics glitching and inte…

The amount of work, the extent for how long they've been doing so, all relative to the funding they got.. it's even painful to think about. Chrome shadowed them overnight, had Google infinite wallet and started from scratch. Mozilla became the old slug.. Since then they got Rust off ground, servo yielding good fruits, firefox cool n quiet. Once again kudos.

> started from scratch.

Nope, they started with webkit and wininet for networking which together might be make a good browser demo.

Re: It’s time to give Firefox another chance

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I was actually thinking about switching to Chrome because of GMail (or rather Inbox). When I open Inbox in Firefox, it can take 20 to 30 seconds for the cursor to stop spinning and I have a 300 Mbps connection.

on which firefox version? have you tried nightly?

The first Quantum release (57) is now on Beta, so if you want something a little more stable than Nightly it's a solid choice.

It's always a good idea to back up your profile first (where your bookmarks/passwords/etc. live), especially when downgrading:

https://support.mozilla.org/kb/back-and-restore-information-...

Re: It’s time to give Firefox another chance

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I expressed fear in the last Firefox thread about losing my most essential add-on, Rikaisama, and it seems that the latest version of Firefox has officially killed it off. However after a lot of searching I found Yomichan, which seems to be better in every way when compared to Rikaisama, but its fairly difficult to find. I highly recommend it to any Japanese learners looking for a replacement. https://foosoft.net/pro…

Thanks for this! Rikaisama had already sort of broken with e10s, and I had considered trying to port the Chrome version, but this is far better!

Re: It’s time to give Firefox another chance

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Give Firefox another chance, after Mozilla recently announced opt-out telemetry? Give them another chance now that they're siding with the likes of privacy-ignorant Microsoft? The same vendor that keeps bolting on features that seem irrelevant to its user base, such as "assumed touch", app store etc? Surely one would only offer Mozilla another chance once they have extended an olive branch, rather than a closed-circu…

Telemetry doesn't collect any private data. It's all performance measurements. I run Nightly with all the additional opt-in telemetry flags because I want to help Firefox development.

Firefox telemetry includes a unique identifier and system information. The data Mozilla is proposing to collect includes what sites a user visits.

Re: It’s time to give Firefox another chance

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This new UI is exactly what I've been waiting - I've been wanting to switch off chrome for the same reason I switched off of android - to simply diversify the services I use a little bit.

The old Firefox UI always felt old fashioned and made the adjustment that much harder.

This new version of firefox has been great - as others have mentioned it's really fast and the UI is simplistic with a side panel for bookmarks to boot.

Definitely kudos where kudos is due, looking forward to using firefox for the foreseeable future.

Re: It’s time to give Firefox another chance

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Tons of extensions don't work. My personal blocker is mouse gestures; the webextensions API simply doesn't support the workflow I've been following for 15+ years. Mouse gestures will NEVER work well on Firefox 57+, just as they will NEVER work well on Chrome.

Additionally, mouse gestures are completely broken on both linux and MacOS due to Firefox's implementation of right-clicking and that is not slated to be fixed before v57 releases.

Oh-- and there's no functional LastPass addon yet either. And 57 is in beta 4 and will be released very soon.

It is pretty fast, though. Good for benchmarks if not for actually using. Personally, I switched to Vivaldi.

Re: It’s time to give Firefox another chance

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

The amount of work, the extent for how long they've been doing so, all relative to the funding they got.. it's even painful to think about. Chrome shadowed them overnight, had Google infinite wallet and started from scratch. Mozilla became the old slug.. Since then they got Rust off ground, servo yielding good fruits, firefox cool n quiet. Once again kudos.

That is not representative of either the time frame or the resources available to Mozilla. Mozilla has had Hundreds of millions of annual income through their search associations [1]. It’s surprising how they’ve wasted that amount of money to finally in 2017 build a browser that can compete again. This is 9 years after google chrome was released! They have absolutely no excuse for falling this far behind. They squand…

You probably forgot to consider how much money / effort have Google wasted on projects that did not pan out. Their flagship products, like Hangouts, still have long-standing issues.

Nobody is perfect, and making a good and desirable product is hard.

Re: It’s time to give Firefox another chance

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Never abandoned Firefox. Now what? :) And please, donate to Mozilla, if you can. They really do deserve some help. Fighting against giants like Google, MS and Apple... They have products running on all kinds of possible platforms, also on old Android phones! And they have some of the best extensions.

Donations go to the non-profit Mozilla Foundation, not to the Mozilla Corporation, and are used for many worthy (non-Firefox) endeavors:

https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/foundation/

The Corporation (which is a wholly-owned subsidiary of the Foundation i.e. only has a single shareholder, the Foundation) brings in revenue mostly through search engine deals, which is how it's able to pay staff to work on Firefox.

Unsurprisingly, it's a bit confusing... I think having the ultimate owner of the Corporation and the trademarks etc. be the Foundation is a good thing, even though it makes actually funding everything appropriately a bit complex.

Don't forget that Firefox is an open-source project, so contributions of time are always welcome! https://whatcanidoformozilla.org

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