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It’s time to give Firefox another chance

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Re: It’s time to give Firefox another chance

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Post by jopsen »

pps wrote: post #52
jdlyga wrote: post #34

Firefox 57 is great. The interface is no longer ugly, and it's no longer oddly sluggish. Once Lastpass has their extension updated to work with WebExtensions, I'll switch.

This was what I was thinking, until three days ago someone mentioned here about Bitwarden. It's perfect, no more LP for me, you should try it too :) https://bitwarden.com/

I've been planning a switch to "pass" (passwordstore.org), mostly because I want to use my yubikey for encryption, ie. the GPG key...

But maybe I'll explore this.

Re: It’s time to give Firefox another chance

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Post by dralley »

ricw wrote: post #259
agumonkey wrote: post #150

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The amount of work, the extent for how long they've been doing so, all relative to the funding they got.. it's even painful to think about. Chrome shadowed them overnight, had Google infinite wallet and started from scratch. Mozilla became the old slug.. Since then they got Rust off ground, servo yielding good fruits, firefox cool n quiet. Once again kudos.

That is not representative of either the time frame or the resources available to Mozilla. Mozilla has had Hundreds of millions of annual income through their search associations [1]. It’s surprising how they’ve wasted that amount of money to finally in 2017 build a browser that can compete again. This is 9 years after google chrome was released! They have absolutely no excuse for falling this far behind. They squand…

While Mozilla has had quite a few projects that didn't really pan out, I'm not sure you're giving them enough credit.

They developed (well... became the first and most significant major backer of) an entirely new programming language, purely for the purposes of building a better browser. And then devoted tons of resources for years into developing Servo, a massive and complex project that is only being realized now. I'd rather they think big and be ambitious like this, than be yet another stagnating tech company kept alive by former glory.

Also, it's unfair to argue that they have neglected the browser. Firefox is a massive legacy codebase that couldn't be cleaned up without breaking A LOT OF THINGS, and at every step in the process they faced people begging them not to break their things, despite the alternative being the continued rot of Firefox's internals. But they did try, for years, to move forward without breaking everything - it just came at the cost of glacially slow and cautious progress.

Re: It’s time to give Firefox another chance

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Post by kuschku »

derimagia wrote: post #216
bryanlarsen wrote: post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is available as an extension now: https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/multi-account... And it's definitely a reason to switch to Firefox. Keeping personal and work Google and AWS accounts open and separate simultaneously is really nice.

Not really a reason to switch to Firefox, it's more not a reason not to switch to it - Chrome has had it for ages. Still good that they have it though!

Chrome only has it for each window, but Firefox has it for each tab. So much nicer.

Re: It’s time to give Firefox another chance

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Post by anotherevan »

teddyfrozevelt wrote: post #247
largote wrote: post #240

Is there a plugin for it to use Chrome sync? I'm way too invested in Chrome sync to lose it at this point.

What would you lose? You can just import the bookmarks and find alternate addons. If you have passwords Xmarks isn't a webextension but you can use it on Firefox 56 and then upgrade.

FYI, it looks like they are working on a webextension version of Xmarks.

https://forums.lastpass.com/viewtopic.php?f=45&t=266745&star...

This was a big relief for me, as it was the one extension I was really sweating on.

That said, I would love if there was a Chrome sync for Firefox, or Firefox sync for Chrome capability to sync bookmarks across them both.

Re: It’s time to give Firefox another chance

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Post by jchw »

I had tried to migrate back to Firefox so many times that I got burned on it and decided it wasn't worth trying again. Despite this, when I heard the Quantum announcement I decided to give it a download and immediately fell in love again. Photon looks great, the dev tools are wonderful, and it's Fast. And this thing doesn't have annoying Chrome idiosyncrasies - I can tell Firefox to permanently trust my Kubernetes cert without painstakingly adding it to the OS trusted certificates list. Firefox Sync works well and I like being able to send tabs to my phone. Speaking of which, you know what really rules? Installing plain old uBlock Origin on my phone. Which I did. I am loving everything about this and I really hope we're turning a new corner. Say Google, want to get Hangouts working in Firefox yet?

Re: It’s time to give Firefox another chance

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Post by lobster_johnson »

hshoebridge wrote: post #90
richdougherty wrote: post #11

Just switched to Firefox beta to test this out. Looking good so far! The other thing that I've been waiting for is better multi-profile support. You can get a (pre-release) version of that now by opting into the Containers experiment: https://testpilot.firefox.com/experiments/containers

Firefox containers are heading in the direction, after using them for a couple of hours though I ended up missing the window-based system which Chrome uses. I have one Chrome profile for my personal apps, and one for work -- creating a new tab in one of the windows will automatically open it with the same context as the rest of the window. My experience with Firefox was that I'd have to manually choose which profile…

Some issues with containers:

* It's way too easy to open new pages in the wrong container, and you can't convert an existing tab into another container. By the time you've opened a tab it's too late. Solution is to copy URL, create new tab, paste URL, which is a lot to do.

* There's no "New tab in same container" keyboard shortcut or button.

* If you click on a URL in a different app, or from the shell, you get a new tab in the default container.

* There's no way to designate an entire window or macOS space to a container. I have all my work stuff in a separate space, and no personal stuff should interfere. Similarly, if I'm already in a window full of, say, Google Cloud-related tabs, I don't want to clutter that window with containers.

The idea is great, but the implementation is nowhere close to being practical.

Chrome's profiles are too heavy-weight, but it has the right idea about the ability to couple window with profiles, because windows are "collections of tabs", and the most natural-feeling container of pages.

Re: It’s time to give Firefox another chance

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Post by kuschku »

satysin wrote: post #198
pps wrote: post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This was what I was thinking, until three days ago someone mentioned here about Bitwarden. It's perfect, no more LP for me, you should try it too :) https://bitwarden.com/

It looks very nice (I am trying it out right now) but how trustworthy is a free password management service?

The idea is to selfhost it – it’s open source.

Re: It’s time to give Firefox another chance

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Post by Dylan16807 »

freehunter wrote: post #223
JamesFM wrote: post #180

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Sorry to go off on you because this is a larger issue then your comment but seriously, can we hold this discussion to a higher standard? Prove to me that Google is tracking me through Chrome. Link me to an article with proof of collection. Most of us our developers here, surely we can apply some more rigor to this conversation then “we know Google is doing this because it’s Google”.

There are an awful lot of green user names lately shutting down conversations using things like "citation needed" or "prove it" on subjects where it's completely inconsequential or the conclusion is obvious. Everyone can easily see how old your account is and the devs of HN made it that way on purpose. Apologies if anyone here isn't willing to bend over backwards for the demands of an account that wasn't even created…

Is my account old enough for you?

Sure, it "furthers their tracking and advertising network".

But do they track you through chrome, as asked?

Re: It’s time to give Firefox another chance

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Post by noobermin »

jchw wrote: post #285

I had tried to migrate back to Firefox so many times that I got burned on it and decided it wasn't worth trying again. Despite this, when I heard the Quantum announcement I decided to give it a download and immediately fell in love again. Photon looks great, the dev tools are wonderful, and it's Fast. And this thing doesn't have annoying Chrome idiosyncrasies - I can tell Firefox to permanently trust my Kubernetes ce…

Curious, before this last time, when was the last time you tried to migrate back? Because I've been enjoying the majority of the things you've cited (other than quantum) for the last few years or so now.

Re: It’s time to give Firefox another chance

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Post by severine »

satysin wrote: post #198
pps wrote: post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This was what I was thinking, until three days ago someone mentioned here about Bitwarden. It's perfect, no more LP for me, you should try it too :) https://bitwarden.com/

It looks very nice (I am trying it out right now) but how trustworthy is a free password management service?

https://bitwarden.com/#organizations
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