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Alibaba is leading a $27M investment in MariaDB

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Re: Alibaba is leading a $27M investment in MariaDB

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Post by microcolonel »

theduncan wrote: post #61
jordanlev wrote: post #59

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah, would be better if a US company like Oracle were in charge of it ;) (Not agreeing or disagreeing with you, just kind of funny/ironic that we're talking about a fork of an open source project that exists because of disagreement with the steward of MySQL... if Alibaba negatively impacts MariaDB, couldn't we just then move on to another fork. MylantaDB anyone?)

I don't know if Monty has anymore kids to name databases after. Monty is the one who first created MySQL, and later foked MySQL to create MariaDB. There is also MaxDB, but it looks to be a SAP product.

Maybe some grandkids will come into the picture by the time the PRC betrays MariaDB.

Re: Alibaba is leading a $27M investment in MariaDB

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Post by haimez »

netcraft wrote: post #51
j_s wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

https://dev.mysql.com/doc/refman/5.5/en/memory-storage-engin... https://stackoverflow.com/questions/10692398/how-do-i-make-a... https://www.google.com/search?q=mysql+in-memory maybe?

I'm aware of the memory capabilities of mysql in general, but the insinuation was that mysql had more capabilities of in-memory processing than postgres - I dont see anything in those links that are things that postgres cant do - although they may be implemented differently.

The honest answer is that you can get the desired result with Postgres, even if it might require a custom foreign data wrapper implementation. Carpenters pick their favorite saws, and they like MySQL.

To be fair, uber did get burned by a Postgres replication failure- but they also had a NOC team promote 3 bad replicas to primary before stepping back to reconsider their approach. Carpenters do hate losing their fingers in circular saws.

Re: Alibaba is leading a $27M investment in MariaDB

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Post by srcmap »

mtgx wrote: post #45
gnbfrdjng wrote: post #39

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What would the concrete concern be in this case? Any backdoor would destroy the company brand and be excised immediately in a fork. I suspect they’ll treat it like a piece of critical infrastructure; their political concerns would be at the gfw level, and I just don’t see the likelihood of weaponized attacks. Databases are usually locked down for egress and any outgoing attempts would be rapidly detected.

Lenovo seems to get caught with a backdoor every 6 months or so lately. Although I do think that has tainted its brand, I think it's still pretty far off from "destroying the brand".

https://www.techpowerup.com/209925/nsa-hides-spying-backdoor...

This kind of stories doesn't seems to hurt the US HDD maker 's brand, neither.

Most of the world just don't care or don't have a choice.

Re: Alibaba is leading a $27M investment in MariaDB

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Post by icelancer »

yeukhon wrote: post #53
mmanfrin wrote: post #52

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China is the biggest creditor to the US national debt Uh, no it ain't. Not even close. Domestic funds are the lions share, with Social Security Trust holding 2.5x what China does (2.8t vs 1.1t).

Uh, excuse me, can you check this? http://money.cnn.com/2017/08/16/investing/china-us-debt-trea... Do you want me to be more precise? Foreign creditor? "The Treasury Department has ranked China as the biggest foreign creditor to the U.S. for the overwhelming majority of the past nine years. "

>>Do you want me to be more precise? Foreign creditor?

That's not being more precise. That's something entirely different.

Re: Alibaba is leading a $27M investment in MariaDB

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Post by andreasklinger »

dward wrote: post #78
darkr wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Odd comparison, Google has supported MySQL for a long time, as has AWS. Dynamo might be a slightly closer comparison

Google Cloud SQL supports postgres as well.

that's kind of my point

databases people know and use already (eg in fun projects) are easier to sell

Re: Alibaba is leading a $27M investment in MariaDB

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Post by leandrod »

jjirsa wrote: post #18

Good move, will be good for the database for sure. I think of this article [0] every time someone says "why not just use ": Rule 1: Developing a good DBMS requires 5-7 years and tens of millions of dollars. That’s if things go extremely well. Rule 2: You aren’t an exception to Rule 1. 0: http://www.dbms2.com/2013/03/18/dbms-development-marklogic-h...

Stupid. Having too many millions makes one careleß in using ðem. Impoßible to fix a bad architecture by þrowing money on it.

Re: Alibaba is leading a $27M investment in MariaDB

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Post by QAPereo »

patrickaljord wrote: post #40
ppeetteerr wrote: post #38

Any time I hear that a Chinese company is investing in a product I use, it's as if the Chinese government is now part owner of it as well. This may be general paranoia, but given the latest crackdown on VPNs and privacy, I don't know that I want a foreign government with a significant stake in Alibaba have access to direct the future of MariaDB. Is anyone else feeling this?

Not everything has to be about politics. Sometimes a big company investing in an open source database it already uses is just trying to improve its own infrastructure, not trying to hack your country.

Everything involving huge amounts of money in China is at least tangentially political.

Re: Alibaba is leading a $27M investment in MariaDB

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Post by whooshee »

ppeetteerr wrote: post #38

Any time I hear that a Chinese company is investing in a product I use, it's as if the Chinese government is now part owner of it as well. This may be general paranoia, but given the latest crackdown on VPNs and privacy, I don't know that I want a foreign government with a significant stake in Alibaba have access to direct the future of MariaDB. Is anyone else feeling this?

Interesting, If Google or another tech giant in the U.S. are investing it, would you worry about that? I remember Project PRISM did happen, didn't it ? Alibaba invested it to its own advantage by contributing back to opensource and try to get more Startups in China to use it, that's simple as that. And MariaDB is opensource and community-driven, I don't think it will be controlled.

Re: Alibaba is leading a $27M investment in MariaDB

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Post by dreamfactored »

ppeetteerr wrote: post #38

Any time I hear that a Chinese company is investing in a product I use, it's as if the Chinese government is now part owner of it as well. This may be general paranoia, but given the latest crackdown on VPNs and privacy, I don't know that I want a foreign government with a significant stake in Alibaba have access to direct the future of MariaDB. Is anyone else feeling this?

I assumed they were doing this precisely not to be under the US yoke of Oracle, Google, AWS
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