I like 57 as much as the next guy and it's my main browser, but I still develop with Chrome, cause inspector is so much better :/
It’s time to give Firefox another chance
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Re: It’s time to give Firefox another chance
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Very few people are bothered by the movement to WebExtensions, multi-process, or removal of complete themes. Many, however, have stopped using the browser as it has felt slow and clunky for quite a while now. The recent changes have actually attracted me back to the platform after a decade of using Chrome.
I am going to write up some extremely long-winded rant in blog form at some point before the FF57 release materializes, but suffice it to say, most developers that I know who have been involved with Mozilla since the Netscape days (and also those who build most of the add-ons/products that I care about, such as SeaMonkey) have shown nothing but disappointment at Mozilla's reckless plan for the Firefox 57 release. Lit…
They are targeting something that only exist in the drug haze filling the marketing and design offices.
The same marketing that insisted that Mozilla shift their major version on every release, and that keep producing sugar coated videos for the most vapid of reasons.
Face it, the FOSS world has become a bastion of champagne pimping social climbers that just want to add to their score card that they have worked on something with a "humanitarian" angle.
On that note, i guess there is always the option of helping out with Palemoon before they go through with their planned rebase on a more recent Firefox release...
Re: It’s time to give Firefox another chance
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I think you're joking but it's the third time I heard someone say something like this today, so... profits don't pay your salary, your work pays for it.
Work with no profits (or revenue) would likely mean no salary. On the other hand, profits with no work sounds like a great situation.
> Work with no profits (or revenue) would likely mean no salary.
I'm pretty sure Twitter engineers get paid well. Same for Uber. They've got loses for a long time now. (But they have revenue) Profits definitely don't pay salaries there.
Re: It’s time to give Firefox another chance
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>Citation needed. A company known for tracking the ever-loving shit out of everyone across the Internet distributes a best-in-class web browser absolutely for free. If that's not enough, I really hope you're able to hold on to that innocence as you start using the Internet more and more in the future.
Sorry to go off on you because this is a larger issue then your comment but seriously, can we hold this discussion to a higher standard? Prove to me that Google is tracking me through Chrome. Link me to an article with proof of collection. Most of us our developers here, surely we can apply some more rigor to this conversation then “we know Google is doing this because it’s Google”.
just sign into Chrome, and visit myactivity.google.com
you'll see your browsing history, which unless you have a preference turned off deep within settings, Google may then use to target advertising.
Re: It’s time to give Firefox another chance
#205https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1332447
Looks like some interesting ideas on the user interface in the new Firefox.
Anyone worked out how to hide the tab bar with a single tab in 57 yet? (I'm odd, and I like to use my window manager to manage Web sites in windows.)
Re: It’s time to give Firefox another chance
#206"Internt for people, not for profit" This is a great slogan, but actions speak louder than words. Why hasn't FF implemented basic privacy protections and block trackers like Safari does? If Firefox is really "for people," this seems like an area they should be leading in. A cynic (like me) might suggest that it is because Mozilla has become utterly dependent on ad revenue for their survival. Long gone are the days wh…
I think that it's likely because Apple has much more leverage and their major source of funding isn't their browser. I could imagine a world where ad-based services started blocking/paywalling Firefox user-agents. Hopefully now that Apple has opened the door Mozilla is safe to walk through too.
You actually think that websites would ban Firefox' user agent?!?
Re: It’s time to give Firefox another chance
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Firefox containers are heading in the direction, after using them for a couple of hours though I ended up missing the window-based system which Chrome uses. I have one Chrome profile for my personal apps, and one for work -- creating a new tab in one of the windows will automatically open it with the same context as the rest of the window. My experience with Firefox was that I'd have to manually choose which profile…
I had the same complaints until someone told me that Ctrl + '.' opens up the container menu and you can use `tab` to cycle through containers.
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Re: It’s time to give Firefox another chance
#208I wish I could be as excited as everyone else re: the new Firefox. I've never switched to Chrome, and dealt with some of the previous performance issues. I dealt with these issues because of Vimperator, which as far as I know, won't work with the new version of Firefox. A real bummer.
Re: It’s time to give Firefox another chance
#209I was very critical of Mozilla in the past about all their "science projects" like Rust. While I appreciate Rust, I thought it was wrong for Mozilla to be wasting resources on it, instead of focusing on Firefox. I was so harsh with them only because I strongly believe that Firefox is my only hope for a free web. But then I tried 57, and I must admit, boy was I wrong. This thing is fast! I haven't stopped recommending…
If you look at great science projects like the LHC, a lot of the funding is "wasted" building the infrastructure needed to actually build the project, while Mozilla missed the target a few times "Firefox OS", I never saw Rust with bad eyes, it was made to enable Firefox to become a top tier browser again.
Ironically Firefox OS would become a lot more viable with these sorts of performance improvements. Using Firefox Nightly I have actually felt an occasional sensation of blurring between native and web, because of how quickly some sites render and respond. I wonder how applicable these innovations will be on the mobile web. You'd have thought parallel processing would be particularly important in mobile processors where the single core speed is often a fraction of the multi core speed.
Re: It’s time to give Firefox another chance
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They have a lot of money in the bank. Donations are a drop in the bucket and I would even argue that there are other orgs that deserve your money more than Mozilla.
> They have a lot of money in the bank. Donations are a drop in the bucket What is the basis for these statements? Mozilla's budget is far less than its competitors, Google, Apple, and Microsoft; I expect they could find good uses for a little more.
They've got 1000+ employees (in 2015 at least). I don't imagine them having more money really helping anything.
edit: in response to fabrice's comment about other orgs, checkout http://www.givewell.org/