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The rise and fall of Ext JS

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Re: The rise and fall of Ext JS

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Post by rhizome »

jugg1es wrote: post #37

For me, Ext was the bridge between Flex/flash development to more native SPA programming after Steve Jobs decided it would kill Flash. It held my hand as I learned Javascript, and it gave me the space to fail when I realized I couldn't use for-in in a javascript app. It also hid away the core functionality under such a huge layer of abstractions that it was impossible to debug anything in the framework. I loved Ext t…

Heh, yeah. I often see this ahistorical "LOL why did anybody ever use this loser code" attitude, when the last 10 years have seen a tremendous transition in front end technologies and development practices. See also: YUI.

Re: The rise and fall of Ext JS

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Post by wmil »

blauditore wrote: post #20
adamnemecek wrote: post #4

> 2005: Smart phones did not exist. Yeah, ok.

Well, yeah. Phones at that time were mostly just laid out to render WAP pages only, if anything at all. And virtually nobody used that feature. Phones actually rending HTML/CSS/JS in a useful way came years later, roughly 2007+.

Oh come on. Internet on phones wasn't invented with the iPhone.

In 2005 Palm and Blackberry both had phones with slow, limited but functional browsers. And they had had them since 2003 or so.

Re: The rise and fall of Ext JS

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Post by taeric »

rpeden wrote: post #38
coding123 wrote: post #22

We used to be in an era where Java developers had JSF and .NET developers had Webforms - two technologies that were the perfect storm for component vendors. This is all falling apart now that we have npm and webpack - and the only thing Java or .NET are good for is the REST service infrastructure they provide. No company should be using Webforms or JSF type technologies anymore.

So we've gone from using components with lifecycles - in the form on JSF and Web Forms, to using components with lifecycles - in the form of React and Angular. I'm not knocking React or Angular - I use and enjoy them both. And I find it much more convenient to have components that live entirely in the browser instead of trying to maintain a stateful UI server-side; I certainly don't find Web Forms or JSF development…

I do wish they would remember some of the previous shortcomings, though.

In a way, I feel like security teams have it easy. Just look at whatever vulnerability worked 5 years ago on old frameworks. Solid chance it is easily exploitable on frameworks getting going today.

Re: The rise and fall of Ext JS

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Post by exhilaration »

vintagedave wrote: post #33

The article has one false assumption, "that IDERA is a company that focuses on SQL & other IT performance tools". It's not. They started focusing on developer tools in 2015, acquiring Embarcadero (Delphi and C++Builder.) Disclosure: I work there. So I know that they are more than the article says ;) I personally would suggest waiting and seeing what happens. Usually when there is an acquisition it is a good opportuni…

There's a dead comment below yours that says "IDERA fired the entire Ext JS dev team yesterday" -- is that true or false? Why was it downvoted to oblivion?

Edit: apparently it's true: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=15366051

Re: The rise and fall of Ext JS

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Post by maxpert »

With the world full of Reactish frameworks now I wonder if someday we will return back to these neat frameworks that understood browser limitations really well and created such a surreal experience in the initial days of SPA. Names like Prototype JS, Mootools, Dojo etc. where evolving with some great ideas and Ext JS took it to a whole new level. It's sad to see demise of most of these libraries (jQuery I think is the only survivor).

Re: The rise and fall of Ext JS

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Post by joelennon »

exhilaration wrote: post #54
vintagedave wrote: post #33

The article has one false assumption, "that IDERA is a company that focuses on SQL & other IT performance tools". It's not. They started focusing on developer tools in 2015, acquiring Embarcadero (Delphi and C++Builder.) Disclosure: I work there. So I know that they are more than the article says ;) I personally would suggest waiting and seeing what happens. Usually when there is an acquisition it is a good opportuni…

There's a dead comment below yours that says "IDERA fired the entire Ext JS dev team yesterday" -- is that true or false? Why was it downvoted to oblivion? Edit: apparently it's true: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=15366051

I imagine because there was no source to back up the claim. There's definitely been an exodus of staff from the company in recent days, but it's not clear what the terms were. For some tweets from former Sencha staff who have departed over the past few days see my comment on another thread:

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=15365797

Edit: It certainly looks as though the entire team was let go based on the LinkedIn post you linked to in your edit.

Re: The rise and fall of Ext JS

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Post by asdfgadsfgasfdg »

exhilaration wrote: post #54
vintagedave wrote: post #33

The article has one false assumption, "that IDERA is a company that focuses on SQL & other IT performance tools". It's not. They started focusing on developer tools in 2015, acquiring Embarcadero (Delphi and C++Builder.) Disclosure: I work there. So I know that they are more than the article says ;) I personally would suggest waiting and seeing what happens. Usually when there is an acquisition it is a good opportuni…

There's a dead comment below yours that says "IDERA fired the entire Ext JS dev team yesterday" -- is that true or false? Why was it downvoted to oblivion? Edit: apparently it's true: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=15366051

truthlaidbear is shadowbanned...

Re: The rise and fall of Ext JS

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Post by asdfgadsfgasfdg »

vintagedave wrote: post #33

The article has one false assumption, "that IDERA is a company that focuses on SQL & other IT performance tools". It's not. They started focusing on developer tools in 2015, acquiring Embarcadero (Delphi and C++Builder.) Disclosure: I work there. So I know that they are more than the article says ;) I personally would suggest waiting and seeing what happens. Usually when there is an acquisition it is a good opportuni…

@truthlaidbear you're shadowbanned

Re: The rise and fall of Ext JS

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Post by mooreds »

catpolice wrote: post #41

I remember the moment when I drew a line in the sand and simply refused to use ExtJS any more: I discovered that the mysterious bug I'd been hunting all day went away if I removed a comment. It turns out that ExtJS was building some kind of dependency tree by scanning my source code (at runtime!) and looking for things that looked like variable assignments. And it got confused by a commented-out assignment. I don't r…

Wow. That is truly dailywtf material.

Re: The rise and fall of Ext JS

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Post by stevekemp »

rrdharan wrote: post #45
reed1 wrote: post #40

Is it just me or medium's comment section is fundamentally wrong? It's always a pain for me to browse

It’s not you. It drives me insane. I really don’t understand why it requires so many page reloads to navigate a thread.

I admit I rarely take the time to read comments on medium-posts these days, it is too frustrating.
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