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U.S. To Collect Social Media Data on All Immigrants Entering Country

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Post by ajeet_dhaliwal »

SonicSoul wrote: post #163
watty wrote: post #128

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Maybe I'm being contrarian but how is this a big deal? I'd expect the government to be collecting all public information for its citizens and those visiting the country - why not? This isn't private info, it's publicly posted social media information, which is VERY easy to set to private if you wish. If they were collecting private info or browsing data, sure.

the scary part is not the collection. it's the intention or end outcome of having that information. i.e. How likely are they to try to find something against you if you're tweeting against current admin. god knows what lists are created as a result of this. and this can also easily lead to uncovering less public information about you. More data you have about a person easier it is to triangulate anonymized data about…

This is the reason it's scary, it's not the collection in of itself. It's also sad because there are history textbooks, novels, movies and so much information about the past about why this sort of thing is dangerous and like idiots we all allow it to happen again and again even when freedom is the mantra of the constitution of the country. Who dare's to Tweet or write something that either is critical of the government or can be interpreted that way and risk being locked out? Critics and thoughts silenced by fear.

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Post by snarf21 »

mikk14 wrote: post #193
snarf21 wrote: post #177

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is scary and keeps getting worse. As a citizen, I'm even worried about traveling and coming back. Do I want my phone confiscated because a friend from high school tagged me in a political post a random border patrol agent disagrees with? or worse? Remember, they have not stopped any terrorist attacks in the US with all the new surveillance since 9/11 (to my knowledge). "Those who would give up essential Liberty,…

While I share the sentiment, misquoting people who were saying almost the opposite of what you meant is not going to go very far. Franklin wasn't talking at all about what you were thinking he was talking. It was about an argument on taxation. http://www.npr.org/2015/03/02/390245038/ben-franklins-famous...

I agree that this quote may have been misappropriated.

However, I think it has taken on new life and new meaning and is cautionary in terms of "be careful what you are giving up...". 9/11 attacks were successful in their goals based on exploiting the FAA guidelines for hijackers, not because we didn't spy on these people. No one imagined them turning a plane into a bomb. I think non one believes that if hijackers tried to take over a plane with box cutters today that they wouldn't be subdued or killed within minutes.

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Post by wybiral »

always_good wrote: post #175
wybiral wrote: post #95

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This story is specific to "immigrants", not tourists.

Tourists are already treated like they're trying to be immigrants. Ask your Mexican friends that got denied entry trying to visit Disneyland because the border agent was in a bad mood. Reading your other comments in this submission, it doesn't sound like you know many non-Americans who have experience with the US border.

> Reading your other comments in this submission, it doesn't sound like you know many non-Americans who have experience with the US border.

From my understanding it's different depending on where you're visiting from. And, yes, I know non-Americans who visit people here (not sure what comments of mine you got that idea from).

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Post by HillaryBriss »

snarf21 wrote: post #177
knz wrote: post #122

As a permanent resident with a pending citizenship application (who came on the visa mentioned at the end of this article), I find this incredibly alarming. I have nothing to hide, despise terrorism and the fanatics that commit it, and wish no harm on others with different social, political, or religious views. But I'm familiar enough with history to know how badly this can end. "Papers please" had consequences, espe…

This is scary and keeps getting worse. As a citizen, I'm even worried about traveling and coming back. Do I want my phone confiscated because a friend from high school tagged me in a political post a random border patrol agent disagrees with? or worse? Remember, they have not stopped any terrorist attacks in the US with all the new surveillance since 9/11 (to my knowledge). "Those who would give up essential Liberty,…

Is Franklin criticizing immigrants who consent to give up some "essential liberty" in order to gain the "safety" of US residence?

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Post by msluyter »

SerLava wrote: post #7

Something to realize here: If you're between 10 and 60 years old, "I don't use social media" will likely not really be an answer at the border. Even a barely-used account will not really be an answer. They're going to be able to say you're probably just hiding your real account. That could factor into denying you entry into a country. If this becomes common with many countries, it could become de facto illegal to kee…

Where there is a problem there is (sometimes) a market opportunity: a service that periodically autoposts innocuous kitten photos into your Facebook feed, says "Happy Birthday!" to your friends, and the like.

(Might actually be an interesting project.)

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Post by epc »

To every US Citizen who replies “what's the big deal?” keep in mind most countries maintain a sort of reciprocity, whatever the US government does to their citizens to enter, they may, out of pique or their own laws, do to Americans entering their country.

Given the execrable ability of the US government to keep even its own top-secret confidential information secure, I have absolutely no faith that this information will be securely maintained, nor that it will be solely used to profile visitors solely at the “border”.

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Post by mikk14 »

snarf21 wrote: post #202
mikk14 wrote: post #193

Earlier quoted context omitted.

While I share the sentiment, misquoting people who were saying almost the opposite of what you meant is not going to go very far. Franklin wasn't talking at all about what you were thinking he was talking. It was about an argument on taxation. http://www.npr.org/2015/03/02/390245038/ben-franklins-famous...

I agree that this quote may have been misappropriated. However, I think it has taken on new life and new meaning and is cautionary in terms of "be careful what you are giving up...". 9/11 attacks were successful in their goals based on exploiting the FAA guidelines for hijackers, not because we didn't spy on these people. No one imagined them turning a plane into a bomb. I think non one believes that if hijackers tri…

Granted. However, in the US I saw multiple times people getting at each other throats in arguing what a founding father really meant with this or this other sentence. So in an argument with a less charitable person, you might find yourself in facing somebody telling you that Franklin meant the exact opposite. That's why arguments from authority are usually bad. In any case, this is getting off-topic pretty quickly, so I'll end it here :-)

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Post by thinkMOAR »

coldtea wrote: post #151
thinkMOAR wrote: post #56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

At this point in time i still wonder why people physically move from one part of the world to another to hear somebody speak. What is wrong with live streaming? (and record, download and re-play)

People enjoy a) traveling, b) interaction, c) face to face meetings, d) networking, e) break off from normal routine, f) the ability to ask the speaker questions / talk after/before the event, g) free gimmicks like event t-shirts.

I don't know but in my world, a preference is not a requirement. I prefer to watch a movie in the cinema with uber sound systems etc. But i can watch the movie perfectly fine at home.

All points besides a, which is not really an argument but the point of discussion, can be done remotely, if you have to travel to a conference. It might not have your preference, but it certainly is possible and i think comparing travelling half the world, to hear somebody speak vs starting a livestream or recorded version of a conference at your convenience at home, i know what i prefer. Sure its not as interesting on birthday parties or similar, to say you watched a conference livestream vs i was in Tokyo over the weekend for a conference.

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