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U.S. To Collect Social Media Data on All Immigrants Entering Country

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Post by coldtea »

thinkMOAR wrote: post #56
musha68k wrote: post #9

As much as I’ve always loved to come to the US and as fascinating as some US conferences are (e.g. StrangeLoop might be my personal fav) – no international attendee or speaker can be expected to put up with this ever expanding amount of bullshit anymore. If the science community or “our industry” really want to encourage and unlock the magic of diversity we need new venues for a whole lot of conferences either in Can…

At this point in time i still wonder why people physically move from one part of the world to another to hear somebody speak. What is wrong with live streaming? (and record, download and re-play)

People enjoy a) traveling, b) interaction, c) face to face meetings, d) networking, e) break off from normal routine, f) the ability to ask the speaker questions / talk after/before the event, g) free gimmicks like event t-shirts.

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coldtea wrote: post #136
watty wrote: post #128

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Maybe I'm being contrarian but how is this a big deal? I'd expect the government to be collecting all public information for its citizens and those visiting the country - why not? This isn't private info, it's publicly posted social media information, which is VERY easy to set to private if you wish. If they were collecting private info or browsing data, sure.

> Maybe I'm being contrarian but how is this a big deal? Ask a person in Argentina, Chile, Spain, and lots of other places besides. > I'd expect the government to be collecting all public information for its citizens and those visiting the country - why not? Because their social media lives are not its business -- citizens or not.

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Post by nnq »

This whole set of measures will probably lead to more and more successful new businesses being started outside USA.

...and most non-American entrepreneurs will breathe relieved, loosing some of the fear that the SV brain-magnet can siphon their talent away at any moment. So yey for everyone (except the USA).

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Post by brentm »

gizmodo59 wrote: post #125
brentm wrote: post #91

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The majority of people in the US disagree with everything going on right now and we welcome everyone. We will right the ship in the next 2-3 years.

See the problem here is that many think this is happening due to the current administration but that is not even remotely true. Irrespective of which administration it is red or blue, this is inevitable.

There is a real problem of profitable propaganda that the internet & unlimited media consumption has created. People get very excited over immigration and other hot button political issues and many exploit the people and the issues for personal gain.

Regardless of who the president is profitable propaganda will divide the country. The current administration validates these otherwise fringe views and magnifies the problem. DJT makes no attempt to heal the relationships between liberals & conservatives and instead really seems to enjoy driving division.

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Post by Chris2048 »

criddell wrote: post #133
watty wrote: post #128

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Maybe I'm being contrarian but how is this a big deal? I'd expect the government to be collecting all public information for its citizens and those visiting the country - why not? This isn't private info, it's publicly posted social media information, which is VERY easy to set to private if you wish. If they were collecting private info or browsing data, sure.

Not a fan of the fourth amendment?

Does it cover immigrants who are not US citizens?

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Post by criddell »

burkaman wrote: post #147
criddell wrote: post #133

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not a fan of the fourth amendment?

Googling someone is not an unreasonable search or seizure.

If that's all they were doing, there would be no need for a law.

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Post by coldtea »

jcranmer wrote: post #107
SerLava wrote: post #7

Something to realize here: If you're between 10 and 60 years old, "I don't use social media" will likely not really be an answer at the border. Even a barely-used account will not really be an answer. They're going to be able to say you're probably just hiding your real account. That could factor into denying you entry into a country. If this becomes common with many countries, it could become de facto illegal to kee…

> If you're between 10 and 60 years old, "I don't use social media" will likely not really be an answer at the border. Even a barely-used account will not really be an answer. Why not? According to an article I read, only about 75% of US teens use Instagram and a similar amount use Snapchat (the only media the article gave). Quite frankly, about 10-20% of even First World populations don't use social media or use it…

Instagram and Snapchat are niche, and even then "only about 75% of US teens" is huge.

> Quite frankly, about 10-20% of even First World populations don't use social media or use it very lightly.

10-20% is still small enough to start by assuming everybody uses them, and treat the 1 in 5/10 persons as a weirdo that merits extra examination.

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Post by [deleted] »

sverige wrote: post #18
SerLava wrote: post #7

Something to realize here: If you're between 10 and 60 years old, "I don't use social media" will likely not really be an answer at the border. Even a barely-used account will not really be an answer. They're going to be able to say you're probably just hiding your real account. That could factor into denying you entry into a country. If this becomes common with many countries, it could become de facto illegal to kee…

Maybe 50 should be the upper bound. I'm in my fifties and have never had any sort of social media account. Many of my high school and college classmates are similarly situated. None of the major social media platforms were founded before I was in my mid-forties, which is why there was never any incentive to start any accounts. I enjoy getting older. It spares me a lot of drama.

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Post by gumby »

watty wrote: post #128
knz wrote: post #122

As a permanent resident with a pending citizenship application (who came on the visa mentioned at the end of this article), I find this incredibly alarming. I have nothing to hide, despise terrorism and the fanatics that commit it, and wish no harm on others with different social, political, or religious views. But I'm familiar enough with history to know how badly this can end. "Papers please" had consequences, espe…

Maybe I'm being contrarian but how is this a big deal? I'd expect the government to be collecting all public information for its citizens and those visiting the country - why not? This isn't private info, it's publicly posted social media information, which is VERY easy to set to private if you wish. If they were collecting private info or browsing data, sure.

Read the entry in the Federal Register. They are also collecting internet search results (not the queries, which is odd). In addition there is a constitutional prohibition on collecting arbitrary information on citizens (which the courts have extended to “US Persons”, basically citizens and green card holders)

https://www.federalregister.gov/documents/2017/09/18/2017-19...

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