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Fidelity CEO Abigail Johnson says the company is mining cryptocurrencies

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Re: Fidelity CEO Abigail Johnson says the company is mining cryptocurrencies

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ROI of creating an investment portfolio 1 year ago, and selling today: - All Bitcoin: ~500% - Mix of top market: ~2800% - All Strat: ~13500% Meanwhile, stock investors call 12% a good year.

What about the Sharpe ratio? Divide the return by the (daily?) standard deviation of returns.

Quite high in crypto: https://www.bletchleyindexes.com/blog/idx_perf_post

Re: Fidelity CEO Abigail Johnson says the company is mining cryptocurrencies

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« I doubt you could liquidate millions of dollars of bitcoin in a day and not make the market plummet. » Wrong. 1.5+ BILLION dollars' worth of bitcoins are sold and bought in aggregate daily on 100+ exchanges: https://coinmarketcap.com/currencies/bitcoin/#markets

That's a very very small amount, real currency markets do trillions a day, bitcoin is the size of a large company. He's totally right, that's a small liquid market when compared to the real markets. If you tried to dump 10 million in bitcoin all at once, there's a good chance you're going to crash the market; 10 million wouldn't even move the price in the EURUSD.

«That's a very very small amount, real currency markets do trillions a day»

It is. But that's not what partiallypro and I were discussing. We argued about whether selling "millions" would crash BTC or not.

«He's totally right»

Did you even read the link I posted? Even if you look at only the BTC/USD pair, $10M represents merely ~1% of the volume sold DAILY on the top 6 exchanges (~$800M). You would probably need to sell an order of magnitude more, so $100M, in a single day, to start affecting the markets significantly.

Re: Fidelity CEO Abigail Johnson says the company is mining cryptocurrencies

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The tech isn't going to die, it's just not going to change the world in any sexy way. Maersk is using it for something as boring as secure claims for containers to fight corruption in shipping. In government we're looking into running things like the land ownership registry and other public records on the tech. Not because it's hip, but because it'll save employee resources when we have to perform less audits, and be…

Property title, availability of airspace, really any complex system that requires mutual cooperation (or at least awareness) could benefit from uniform distributed ledger technology.

How would blockchains help with property title management?

Re: Fidelity CEO Abigail Johnson says the company is mining cryptocurrencies

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According to Gartner, blockchain has just passed the "Peak of Inflated Expectations". Next phase is "Trough of Disillusionnment". http://www.gartner.com/smarterwithgartner/top-trends-in-the-...

This one is funny. While cryptocurrency gets most of the brickbats around here on HN, I think Deep Learning is also in the same boat. Executives want to apply Deep Learning to everything and anything they can get their hands on. The results most of the time are underwhelming and could be had with a much simpler set of tools. Just wondering how long before Deep Learning goes into trough of disillusionment.

It feels like lately bots and AI are the biggest hype-train. Everybody wants bots. Bots for this, and bots for that. With natural language processing bolted on somehow.

Got a simple, defined flow that could just be a decision tree? Nope, we need natural language processing in a chatbot, we can't possibly present a menu.

I feel like I'm fighting the Infocom parser again.

Re: Fidelity CEO Abigail Johnson says the company is mining cryptocurrencies

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> Johnson said that the company had made several venture investments in bitcoin-related businesses and that the company was looking at applications of blockchain technologies alongside several leading universities. Every crypto article makes the same vague claims about the potential of non-specific blockchain technology. I'm surprised there was no mention of replacing Visa in this one as well.

Blockchains are the future, aka merkel trees are the future, aka git is the future. Put the world in source control. Distributed, trustless, decentralised source control.

HAHAHAHA, couldn't have said it better

Re: Fidelity CEO Abigail Johnson says the company is mining cryptocurrencies

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Yup. Few people realize Bitcoin has been literally the best performing investment in human history. One dollar invested in March 2010 is worth $1+ million today. 1,000,000× returns. But the downside of performing so well is that it is too easy to get distracted by the price and disregard the radical improvements that Bitcoin brings over legacy financial systems...

What? Practically every day, someone wins $millions from a $1 lottery ticket somewhere in the world. That's the same or better returns...

A "lottery ticket" does not quite fit the traditional definition of "investment".

Besides, almost no one who buys a lottery ticket ends up winning millions, but everyone who bought and held bitcoins since 2010 is a winner.

Re: Fidelity CEO Abigail Johnson says the company is mining cryptocurrencies

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> Johnson said that the company had made several venture investments in bitcoin-related businesses and that the company was looking at applications of blockchain technologies alongside several leading universities. Every crypto article makes the same vague claims about the potential of non-specific blockchain technology. I'm surprised there was no mention of replacing Visa in this one as well.

Facilitating inter-bank transfers is one promising application that's already operational: https://ripple.com/

It still does not solve the base problem of sourcing liquidity. It is fine and dandy if I have a coin that the banks value, but when I go to turn that coin into fiat currency, I have got to source the fiat liquidity from somewhere. This is the fundamental problem with something like Ripple...

Re: Fidelity CEO Abigail Johnson says the company is mining cryptocurrencies

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Are there any actual benefits to this over current methods of interbank transfers?

Have you ever submitted a payment or received a payment and seen it marked as "pending". That's likely the result of a delay due to interbank transfers. Real time settlement is something theoretically possible with central banking using something like Fedwire, but in practice most banks use a third party clearinghouse like CHIPS. Additionally, if you have funds in USD and you need to make a payment in EUR, you'll pro…

I'm always amazed that in this day and age, it takes three business days for my paycheck to direct deposit into my checking account...

Re: Fidelity CEO Abigail Johnson says the company is mining cryptocurrencies

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If low cost index funds are unprofitable then please explain how BlackRock is making so much money off of them? https://www.forbes.com/sites/greatspeculations/2015/01/13/re...

They're not unprofitable in general. They are for Fidelity, which is using it as a loss leader to keep their customer base from fleeing (Fidelity has a lot of overhead as a financial services firm).

How do you know? Unless you have some actual evidence you're just making things up. Fidelity's largest fund is an index fund[1]. Do they make less money with index funds vs actively managed funds? Probably. I see no evidence that they are losing money on them and ample evidence they are profitable.

[1] https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2016-12-02/fidelity-...

Re: Fidelity CEO Abigail Johnson says the company is mining cryptocurrencies

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Not quite. The central ideas underpinning bitcoin are very old, tracing back to hashcash and bitgold. https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Hashcash#History It's not really an important distinction, but maybe someone will find the history interesting.

See also this 1996 NSA paper "How to Make a Mint: The Cryptography of Anonymous Electronic Cash", predating both Hashcash and Bit gold. http://groups.csail.mit.edu/mac/classes/6.805/articles/money... (and OP seems factually correct: Satoshi was the inventor of Bitcoin).

The idea of electronic money is old. What this describes is a Chaum blind-signature style centrally-cleared coin, which dates back to his 1983 paper. There is no protection against double-spends in this scheme (without the clearing agency taking an active role), and no protection against the central agency creating unlimited amounts of coin.

Proof-of-work schemes like hashcash and bitgold are much closer to hitting on the central ideas that led to Bitcoin. It's like crediting Democritus with atomic theory -- yes, he's talking about the same thing, but in such a way that the final realization is so different as to be unrecognizable.

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