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Re: Ending factory farming as soon as possible

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Post by chiefalchemist » Thu, Sep 28, 2017, 10:40 PM UTC

cies wrote: post #77

chiefalchemist wrote: post #73

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I agree with all those reasons. But the majority of people don't care unless you make it personal. Making the world a better place isn't good enough, it's too abstract. You have to answer "What's in it for me?"

I was replying to a post roughly answering "what's in it for me" by "what's in it for your children". All wanted to show that the 3 main reasons for going vegan/plant-based all have a strong "for the children" side to them. There's a huge influx of people in the vegan/plant-based communities from very health conscious people. Many of them believe that science is showing that it allows them to live healthier/happier/l…

Yes and no. It's all true but too deep for most people. One punch to the nose works better than 3 body blows ;)

Re: Ending factory farming as soon as possible

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Post by cies » Fri, Sep 29, 2017, 6:14 AM UTC

chiefalchemist wrote: post #81

cies wrote: post #77

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I was replying to a post roughly answering "what's in it for me" by "what's in it for your children". All wanted to show that the 3 main reasons for going vegan/plant-based all have a strong "for the children" side to them. There's a huge influx of people in the vegan/plant-based communities from very health conscious people. Many of them believe that science is showing that it allows them to live healthier/happier/l…

Yes and no. It's all true but too deep for most people. One punch to the nose works better than 3 body blows ;)

I tend to pick different strategies for the amount of time I have of someones attention.

But you're advocating the one blow will be from the "personal health" angle. With little time on my hands I usually also go for this angle, simply because I believe that all the people who'd want to be vegan/vegetarian "for the animals" would be so by now. The health angle still has a kind of novelty/news aspect to it (while being more personal and urgent then the environment angle).

Re: Ending factory farming as soon as possible

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Post by everheardofc » Fri, Sep 29, 2017, 11:52 AM UTC

pvaldes wrote: post #72

pg314 wrote: post #71

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> "ending factory farming as soon as possible" equals at this moment to "killing by famine a lot of surplus humans as soon as possible". The article is talking about animal factory farming. Eliminating animal factory farming would free up more than enough resources to feed humans directly. The conversion from plant calories to meat calories is not very efficient.

I know it, I can read :-), and is not so easy as you thing. Animals in animal factory farming can be feeded with things that neither humans nor plants can/would accept directly. Animal factory farming by-products also are needed to support agriculture. Using human faeces at large scale to fertilize the spoil is not so good idea as using horse, goat, cow or pig faeces (Because human faeces carry more types of human tr…

>Animals in animal factory farming can be feeded with things that neither humans nor plants can/would accept directly.

So can non-factory animal farms. I don't see how factory farming is better in this aspect than other types of animal farms. There is a middle ground between no animal farming and factory farming.

>Animal factory farming by-products also are needed to support agriculture. Using human faeces at large scale to fertilize the spoil is not so good idea as using horse, goat, cow or pig faeces (Because human faeces carry more types of human transmisible parasites and more often than faeces in non-human animals).

Factory farming has the unfortunate sideeffect of producing too much fertiliser of the wrong kind. The farms have trouble getting rid of their excess waste.

http://www.onegreenplanet.org/environment/the-dangers-of-usi... >It is not uncommon that a factory farm will produce more waste than can be absorbed into the soil surrounding the facility. Because there is such an excess of excrement, it is often over-applied to fields and the nutrients that cannot be absorbed by the soil run off into local waterways.