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When I asked Tinder for my data, it sent me 800 pages of my deepest secrets

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Re: When I asked Tinder for my data, it sent me 800 pages of my deepest secrets

#71

Aside form the ethical considerations of long term storage, what is tinder doing with all this data if they can't even keep the bots off the service?

Well, for instance, if your chat log still hangs around if you message the same person then it has to be on the server. A lot of stuff might be similar (don't show people you've already seen, etc.). The chat geolocation stuff though who knows.

Re: When I asked Tinder for my data, it sent me 800 pages of my deepest secrets

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post #61

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The GDPR replaces the right to be forgotten with the right to erasure. But article 17 also gives the following grounds for refusal: Paragraphs 1 and 2 shall not apply to the extent that processing is necessary: 1) for exercising the right of freedom of expression and information; 2) for compliance with a legal obligation which requires processing by Union or Member State law to which the controller is subject or for…

But what you are forgetting is Tinders (or any other companys) legal merrit for storing your data in the first place. Generalizing the Regulation; In most cases Tinder or any other only have the right to store (process or transmit to a third party) you data if you have given explicit consent. And you can revoke your consent. So the issue is not the right to delete data in the case where you no longer use Tinder. The…

"The data subject shall have the right to withdraw his or her consent at any time. The withdrawal of consent shall not affect the lawfulness of processing based on consent before its withdrawal."

I'm also not sure if how did Tinder get the data (and yes it's important), Data sharing, 3rd party clauses etc. are also covered by the GDPR.

Does the GDPR can improve privacy? yes, but it really isn't the sledge hammer that people think it is.

This is a very big subject to big to cover over this channel to be frank.

Re: When I asked Tinder for my data, it sent me 800 pages of my deepest secrets

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post #62
post #21

I wonder what Snapchat would return. All the messages ever? Regardless of their pretend volality? Someone please try it, I don't have an account.

Rumor is that snap keeps messages in google cloud compute encrypted. When messages are expired or read by the user, they just delete the encryption key.

...and keep the original message? Wouldn’t that be extremely wasteful?

Re: When I asked Tinder for my data, it sent me 800 pages of my deepest secrets

#74
post #14

I think the more interesting question would be, how much data do they retain on you if you close your account?

All of it?

It sucks that you are probably correct.

My own biggest issue with data retention is not that these companies collect all this data (they need to for their business models to work) but that they keep all of it, forever, regardless of whether it could possibly still be relevant to any business purpose (such as chat conversions from a decade ago).

Re: When I asked Tinder for my data, it sent me 800 pages of my deepest secrets

#75
post #62

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Rumor is that snap keeps messages in google cloud compute encrypted. When messages are expired or read by the user, they just delete the encryption key.

Why would they do that? Keeping around a bunch of blobs nobody can decrypt seems like a huge waste of resources.

That’s just what I heard. If it’s true, there’s probabaly a garbage collection job running that eventually deletes the blobs.

Re: When I asked Tinder for my data, it sent me 800 pages of my deepest secrets

#76

I think the more interesting question would be, how much data do they retain on you if you close your account?

In short, "certain data", for "analytical purposes".

Data retention

We keep your information only as long as we need it for legitimate business purposes and as permitted by applicable legal requirements. If you close your account, we will retain certain data for analytical purposes and recordkeeping integrity, as well as to prevent fraud, enforce our Terms of Use, take actions we deem necessary to protect the integrity of our Service or our users, or take other actions otherwise permitted by law.

https://www.gotinder.com/privacy

Re: When I asked Tinder for my data, it sent me 800 pages of my deepest secrets

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post #35

I think Tinder specifically has far better grounds for having all this data than most tech companies. After all it is their core function to try to match people, and to do that well you need to know the people.

Besides "western girl had lots of Tinder sex and some of it was kinky" is hardly a secret, more of a default.

Re: When I asked Tinder for my data, it sent me 800 pages of my deepest secrets

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post #35

I think Tinder specifically has far better grounds for having all this data than most tech companies. After all it is their core function to try to match people, and to do that well you need to know the people.

I wouldn't go so far as to say they need all this data. The service could work fine with just self-reported preferences and profiles if you wanted it to.

Self-reported preferences and experimentally observed preferences are not the same.

Re: When I asked Tinder for my data, it sent me 800 pages of my deepest secrets

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post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

All of it?

It sucks that you are probably correct. My own biggest issue with data retention is not that these companies collect all this data (they need to for their business models to work) but that they keep all of it, forever, regardless of whether it could possibly still be relevant to any business purpose (such as chat conversions from a decade ago).

I actually think chat conversation from a decade ago would be quite relevant. One baseline recommendation system is "people who bought X also bought Y". Consider "people whose conversation is in cluster X generally liked people in cluster Y". If chat conversation can be usefully used to cluster users for better matching (and I think it can), it would be valuable to keep even if content is of no interest.

Re: When I asked Tinder for my data, it sent me 800 pages of my deepest secrets

#80

880 matches holy shit, that has to be 8x as much as the average guy. Life must be so easy.

That's around 220 matches a year since shes had the app, so like 18 matches per month for four years...

She matched with a new guy every two days basically, and he mentioned she only sent 1700 messages since she started. That's almost two average messages per match before getting bored and moving on.

With that much abundance of choice, I guess you could say life is nice and easy for the author.

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