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When I asked Tinder for my data, it sent me 800 pages of my deepest secrets

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Re: When I asked Tinder for my data, it sent me 800 pages of my deepest secrets

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Post by Msurrow »

dogma1138 wrote: post #37
ATsch wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Could you give some examples of this wiggle room?

The GDPR replaces the right to be forgotten with the right to erasure. But article 17 also gives the following grounds for refusal: Paragraphs 1 and 2 shall not apply to the extent that processing is necessary: 1) for exercising the right of freedom of expression and information; 2) for compliance with a legal obligation which requires processing by Union or Member State law to which the controller is subject or for…

But what you are forgetting is Tinders (or any other companys) legal merrit for storing your data in the first place. Generalizing the Regulation; In most cases Tinder or any other only have the right to store (process or transmit to a third party) you data if you have given explicit consent. And you can revoke your consent.

So the issue is not the right to delete data in the case where you no longer use Tinder. The issue is that Tinder is simply not allowed to keep your data. In fact they must on their own initiative actively ensure they dont store data they are not allowed to, that is, on their own initiative delete your data, if you revoke your consent.

Edit: oh, and the best part. If you withdraw your consent Tinder is responsible for instructing all other companies that they shared your data with (including sold to) to delete your data (and followup that they did).

Re: When I asked Tinder for my data, it sent me 800 pages of my deepest secrets

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Post by ronnier »

anc84 wrote: post #21

I wonder what Snapchat would return. All the messages ever? Regardless of their pretend volality? Someone please try it, I don't have an account.

Rumor is that snap keeps messages in google cloud compute encrypted. When messages are expired or read by the user, they just delete the encryption key.

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Post by lordCarbonFiber »

beager wrote: post #36
zoltaan wrote: post #27

I always felt a bit silly logging in to Facebook in a private browser window in every other week, many times through a VPN. Also not sharing much more than jokes and cartoons or memes. Not to mention my absense from the hip social web, including Tinder, but many more as well. I don't feel silly anymore. :) (btw: my name is not zoltaan ;) )

Outliers such as yourself won't do much to curtail the practice of companies amassing identifiable, weaponizable, and often undersecured data about their users. And because the data is valuable and there have been few regulations put in place to balance that value with the burden of responsible handling, those companies will continue to collect more and in more creative ways, whittling away at your creative maneuvers…

I just don't see the doom and gloom. You say "weaponizable" but even the worst offenders for oversharing aren't giving facebook information that seems that bad? Compare the data talked about in this article (likes, jobs, dating preferences) to data that already is public knowledge and avaliable to everyone: (assuming US) how much you payed in property taxes, where you live, what your phone number is, which political party you're registered to vote in (depending on the state this might also be linked to your telephone number or even last 4 SSN), all documents related to any companies you may have incorporated. Your public data footprint is far more expansive than the tiny slice companies like tinder and facebook have. The only reason they don't bother linking to the public realm is that personal data (unaggregated) is worthless from the prospective of "building models to sell adds".

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Post by blevs »

turc1656 wrote: post #56

It just dawned on me that Tinder is basically the new and improved version of Zuckerberg's original creation - Facesmash. Except Tinder can do so much more than that. And amusingly, Tinder is hailed as a great app while Facesmash was decried as a way of dehumanizing and objectifying people. My, how far we have come.

I think a big part of that is people consent to being on tinder.

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Post by emodendroket »

zoltaan wrote: post #27

I always felt a bit silly logging in to Facebook in a private browser window in every other week, many times through a VPN. Also not sharing much more than jokes and cartoons or memes. Not to mention my absense from the hip social web, including Tinder, but many more as well. I don't feel silly anymore. :) (btw: my name is not zoltaan ;) )

Hopefully you also don't have any friends.

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Post by emodendroket »

zokier wrote: post #35

I think Tinder specifically has far better grounds for having all this data than most tech companies. After all it is their core function to try to match people, and to do that well you need to know the people.

I wouldn't go so far as to say they need all this data. The service could work fine with just self-reported preferences and profiles if you wanted it to.

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Post by emodendroket »

ronnier wrote: post #62
anc84 wrote: post #21

I wonder what Snapchat would return. All the messages ever? Regardless of their pretend volality? Someone please try it, I don't have an account.

Rumor is that snap keeps messages in google cloud compute encrypted. When messages are expired or read by the user, they just delete the encryption key.

Why would they do that? Keeping around a bunch of blobs nobody can decrypt seems like a huge waste of resources.
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