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Is Rotten Tomatoes Killing the Movie Industry? No, Bad Movies Are

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Re: Is Rotten Tomatoes Killing the Movie Industry? No, Bad Movies Are

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post #35

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No, RT. For example look at "Wind River". Rating is at 86% By comparison, some older movies around or lower than that rating: "The Big Lebowski": 81% "Gladiator": 76% "The Wolf of Wall Streer": 77%

Do you have a better example? Because there's no guarantee that The Big Lebowski or Gladiator or The Wolf of Wall Street should be better than Wind River.

Well, you are right, even if some movie that I or you like more scores lower than another doesn't mean anything.

My original claim was movie rating changes dramatically during the lifetime of the movie, i.e. while in theaters and after, which I don't have any data to prove is, so if I am allowed I would like to retract the original claim.

Re: Is Rotten Tomatoes Killing the Movie Industry? No, Bad Movies Are

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post #49

These type of articles never explore the potential results of the Rotten Tomatoes voting system. As the article mentions the RT rating is not a measure of how good a movie is, it is a measure of the percentage of people who viewed the movie positively. A 100% doesn't mean a movie is perfect or even particularly good, it means no one thought it was bad. A movie designed to do well on a RT score needs to please everyon…

A 100% rating doesn't mean no one would think the movie is bad - it means no one who saw the movie thought it was bad.

With the exception of critics, most people watch movies that they expect they will enjoy. If that movie meets or exceeds expectations, it'll be fresh.

Through this perspective, the way to get a 100% Rotten Tomatoes rating isn't to make a bland, lowest-common-denominator film, attempting to appeal a little bit to everyone. Rather, it's to make a film that a small niche of people will be enthralled by, and market the film in such a way to attract that audience, and no other audience.

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Conversely, when a movie is rotten, it didn't merely fail the average viewer, it failed for the people who were excited to see exactly that movie.

Re: Is Rotten Tomatoes Killing the Movie Industry? No, Bad Movies Are

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Movie ratings from Rotten Tomatoes or IMDB or another site will always have exceptions where the rating doesn't match one's perception (after watching). But they give something to start with when deciding whether or not to check out a movie or read further about it and/or watch trailers, etc. That "initial push" is what I rely on these sites for - in other words, they help indicate whether a movie is a dud or not.

For me, the Rotten Tomatoes rule of "60%+ approval as fresh" doesn't work quite well. So I rely a bit more on IMDB ratings and the top reviews. If I had to rely only on RT, I'd have missed many movies that I personally enjoyed (sorry, don't remember the names/ratings).

As a rule, I usually avoid anything rated below 5 on IMDB, but I do like checking some movies out for the cast, even if the story, script, direction, editing, etc., are awful. In fact, looking at the cast is one of the ways I look for movies, and I sometimes binge watch one particular actor's movies to catch up with older ones that either weren't super hits or were made at a time when the actor wasn't yet well known. Those are usually so heartwarming to watch and get the breadth and depth of the actor's capabilities and also see how they have grown or changed over time.

There are also differences between how some movie critics, with a lot of knowledge and deep appreciation for certain aspects of movies and movie making, look at and rate a movie vs. how an average person (like me) would. Many people just want to be entertained when they watch a movie or show. There are fewer, in proportion, that have high standards for all aspects of movies. Even many people who claim to be "movie buffs" or write movie reviews on their personal blogs aren't as stringent. The masses need a more balanced view between what's strictly critical and what's strictly sheer entertainment value.

Re: Is Rotten Tomatoes Killing the Movie Industry? No, Bad Movies Are

#174
post #23

A flip side to this... is Rotten Tomatoes boosting movies that would otherwise be ignored, by virtue of excellent ratings? I'm thinking specifically of Hidden Figures here. Who would ever have thought that we'd see a Star Wars movie (Rogue One) booted out of the #1 spot by a movie about black women doing math? (This is in no way a criticism of either movie, btw. I loved both of them and consider them high-water marks…

That's quite possible. The article mentioned "_Logan's Lucky_"'s high rating and low box office results. I hadn't heard of this movie at all, but the ratings & reviews on Rotton Tomatoes convinced me to give it a shot, and I quite enjoyed it.

Re: Is Rotten Tomatoes Killing the Movie Industry? No, Bad Movies Are

#175
post #163

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I have. Definitely better than the superhero flicks that plague theaters, but he's still got that invulnerable mechanical efficiency that gets a bit old after he's plowed through the 50th person in a 10 minute shootout. I'm talking more like Die Hard, Alien, Air Force One, or even First Blood, where the main character is a mostly regular person with some combat training, is in a situation where they're believably scr…

One thing John Wick gets right though, is that they took their time with the choreography and training rather than using shaky cam and jump cuts to cover the fact that the actors have no idea what they’re doing. Keanu Reeves spent a lot of time learning how to handle firearms and it shows.

Very good point, and it's way easier to follow because of it.

Re: Is Rotten Tomatoes Killing the Movie Industry? No, Bad Movies Are

#176

Although RT tends to produce false positives for me, it is a reasonably reliable filter. If Hollywood is suffering, I'd look to the quality of its product. For example, marvel civil war is a false positive (for me). When I watch it, I can't get past the clipped, contrived dialogue, close-ups on faces, ham-fisted plots, inconceivably stupid action, schizophrenic scene changes, plastic cgi, and awkward obviously demogr…

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Re: Is Rotten Tomatoes Killing the Movie Industry? No, Bad Movies Are

#177
post #67

Some of the good material that would have been turned into movies in the past gets turned into television/streaming shows now. Game of Thrones occupies the kind of cultural space that something like Star Wars did during the original trilogy. It's not that that material doesn't exist, it's simply that it no longer is the sole domain of the movie format.

> Game of Thrones occupies the kind of cultural space that something like Star Wars did during the original trilogy.

I don't know, I don't think the magnitudes match up here.

Game of Thrones is a cool show that people enjoy watching, which happens to be emblematic of the current trend of long-form, character-driven drama with a bug budget.

Star Wars was a more of a complete revolution.

Re: Is Rotten Tomatoes Killing the Movie Industry? No, Bad Movies Are

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I’ve just finished reading ‘Adventures in the screen trade’ by William Goldman, the guy who wrote ‘All The President’s Men’, Butch Cassidy & The Sundance Kid’ and ‘The Princess Diaries’. While written in the early 80s, it’s thoroughly entertaining and very insightful as to how movies actually get made. His main point is that nobody knows anything. No one knows why one film was a hit and another wasn’t. So successful…

You mean, "The Princess Bride".

You’re right, I do. Gosh that’s embarrassing...

Re: Is Rotten Tomatoes Killing the Movie Industry? No, Bad Movies Are

#179
post #49

These type of articles never explore the potential results of the Rotten Tomatoes voting system. As the article mentions the RT rating is not a measure of how good a movie is, it is a measure of the percentage of people who viewed the movie positively. A 100% doesn't mean a movie is perfect or even particularly good, it means no one thought it was bad. A movie designed to do well on a RT score needs to please everyon…

> The end result is something that tries to be bland, uninteresting, and inoffensive.

So much this. Also conversely I don't understand how the tyranny of the average issue for polarising movies is not brought up more. Many movies I like aren't obviously appreciated by everyone (too gritty, too awkward, too dumb, too sci-fi...) and end up in the 40-70% range which tells me nothing.

Re: Is Rotten Tomatoes Killing the Movie Industry? No, Bad Movies Are

#180

Movies lately: * Generic Super-Hero Movie A. * Generic Super-Hero Movie B. Different title from A, yet actually identical plot and sometimes actors. * A new CG cartoon "for the whole family". They haven't had an original idea since Wall-E. * Generic block-buster action movie with robots and/or ninjas or ninja-robots, explosions, Chevrolet placement ads, and at least 2 pairs of extremely shapely female breasts. * Gene…

You forgot kick ass female lead, implausibly beating up men twice her size using minimal muscle mass :|

You don't need muscle mass. All you need to understand as a smaller person is how to use two things to your advantage:

1) your own low mass, which makes you by definition more agile than your opponent

2) the kinetic energy of your opponent.

It takes training, yes, but given that I've seen a 1.65m pixie cop bring down a 2m Russian hulk in a bar fight, alone, in 15 seconds, many movie scenes are not that unrealistic.

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