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Re: Things cryptocurrency enthusiasts probably won't tell you

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Most cryptos are definitely pump and dump ponzis designed to eat your money, there is definitely a technocracy-like barrier for entry if you want to join the crypto bandwagon. Focus your time and energy on BTC, ETH and an anonymous coin like XMR. Any other offering should be met with skepticism.

>Focus your time and energy on BTC, ETH and an anonymous coin like XMR. Any other offering should be met with skepticism. To elaborate/explain on this point for those less familiar: those three cryptocurrencies actually are based on real technical innovation, and have developer communities producing more technical innovation. There are many other cryptocurrencies that have zero technical innovation (or completely non…

What functional technical innovation is there in ETH that is currently available for use? Some real, usable product that people actively utilize today that's unique and has tangible value?

Re: Things cryptocurrency enthusiasts probably won't tell you

#52

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I would add LTC to your list, but besides that I don't know why you're being downvoted.

What's the main argument for ltc?

Development moves faster and with far less bureaucratic hurdles than with Bitcoin. No contentious forks (thus far), they had SegWit first and chances are they will have working, beyond proof-of-concept Lightning first.

Re: Things cryptocurrency enthusiasts probably won't tell you

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Great article (less the typos, but I feel that's understandable for something so lengthy in which the author did clearly put forth lots of effort to do his research).

I'm in the camp of people interested in cryptocurrencies due to their libertarian qualities and largely motivated by what I perceive to be repeated irresponsible behavior by governments in how they administer their currency (most recently notable in the years surrounding 2008 - just before Bitcoin was activated). In fact, I find it curious that the article did note even allude to the setting in which Bitcoin was born, as its roots go very much against regulation by governments.

The whole idea behind blockchains is distributed consensus. One of the greatest values behind bitcoin is its lack of centralization and a sort of distributed governance surrounding it (more so with some other cryptocurrencies, but bitcoin does have primitive mechanisms for users to vote towards such things as protocol evolution). It has some other advantages that government-operated currencies could make use of, such as being difficult to forge, but the real innovations are centered around the user not needing to trust third parties (govt included) to behave in the user's interest. If you embrace regulations to the extent that they exist in traditional currencies - if transactions/addresses are ever forced to be blacklisted (and thereby reversible), or funds made to be seizable by design, for example - then what value do cryptocurrencies provide that couldn't be replicated by a non-cryptographic/centrally operated digital currency, and why then _wouldn't_ they be superseded by something easier to use/control?

It seems to me that the lack of regulation is a large part of the value behind bitcoin. So when the article quotes:

> The cryptocurrency world is basically rediscovering a vast framework of securities and consumer protection laws that already exist; and now they know why they exist.

I'm skeptical. If consumers want regulation, they'd use the established currencies. Bitcoin exists to be unregulated.

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On a less political note, this article was full of useful information and thoughts, so thanks to the author. I popped out of the cryptocurrency world in 2013 and fell back into it two months ago, and it's disappointingly difficult to find articles like this that actually have some depth to them. There's too much get-rich-quick hype and not enough interest in understanding the social or technical developments associated with cryptocurrencies most places I visit.

Re: Things cryptocurrency enthusiasts probably won't tell you

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Sadly I believe the ideals of cryptocurrency/blockchain technologies have been currently hijacked by those solely driven by a profit motive and greed. Altruism in the pursuit of a better way is for dummies I guess.

I think that Satoshi's main thoughts at the moment would be bemusement about how the cryptocurrency mania seen today so well illustrates human behavior.

Re: Things cryptocurrency enthusiasts probably won't tell you

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As someone who has followed the crypto-currency scene for the past several years I don't disagree with a lot of the broad points presented about fraud being a problem but he is presenting some flat out false information to support his thesis.

To take one example, his claim that historically Coinbase has kept traction stats close to the vest is completely false. He says that the only accurate user numbers come from a filing in the IRS lawsuit. The IRS lawsuit was initially filed in November 2016 and has been ongoing. Coinbase has published user stats on their about page[0] since November of 2014 two full years before the IRS took Coinbase to court, you can go look in the wayback archive. So the claim that the lawsuit provides the only glimpse at the number of Coinbase users is categorically false.

[0] https://www.coinbase.com/about

Re: Things cryptocurrency enthusiasts probably won't tell you

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Yeah, like buying things.

Bitcoin is basically useless for buying legal things. And especially useless for high dollar transactions without escrow agreements, since the value can fluctuate rapidly before transactions settle and can be liquidated to fiat (funny how moving it to fiat always seems to matter to people selling physical items.).

Wish I could buy a coffee with it.

Re: Things cryptocurrency enthusiasts probably won't tell you

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Technical innovation is not the only type of innovation happening in the crypto space. There are tokens being developed whose innovations are financial, social, political, and economic. Don't assume technical innovation is the end all be all, Ethereum's technical innovation allows for the other types of innovation to occur, for example. To strengthen my argument, you wouldn't expect every startup on the Internet to d…

I don't exactly disagree; I think there are some ICOs that are promising. (And I'm happy that many are being built on top of a pre-existing blockchain like Ethereum's rather than pretending they're secure without a large group of miners securing their blockchain.) Maybe I should drop the word "technical": There are many projects out there with no real innovation whatsoever that were created only to facilitate pump-an…

I think the word you are looking for is differentiation.

Re: Things cryptocurrency enthusiasts probably won't tell you

#58
post #14

Most cryptos are definitely pump and dump ponzis designed to eat your money, there is definitely a technocracy-like barrier for entry if you want to join the crypto bandwagon. Focus your time and energy on BTC, ETH and an anonymous coin like XMR. Any other offering should be met with skepticism.

Upvoted because this advice directly makes me money ;)

Disclaimer of the day :)

Re: Things cryptocurrency enthusiasts probably won't tell you

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What's the main argument for ltc?

Development moves faster and with far less bureaucratic hurdles than with Bitcoin. No contentious forks (thus far), they had SegWit first and chances are they will have working, beyond proof-of-concept Lightning first.

They just successfully completed an atomic swap with bitcoin so yes LTC is defitely innovating too.

Re: Things cryptocurrency enthusiasts probably won't tell you

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There is still no legitimate use of bitcoin beyond niche markets and speculation. Besides maybe a very risky (as in unpredictable value on delivery) method of money transfer. It is and has always been a criminal and launderer toy. I am very excited by progress in Ethereum and see it as a model for a better way forward. Though I do not trust its maintainers and community to build a secure and reliable system. There ha…

protip: Ethereum can be used by criminals too, not just Bitcoin. Though, I'm curious (not trolling), why is Ethereum's model a better way forward? Are you talking about smart contracts or what?

Ethereum, like bitcoin, is not inherently anonymous. Criminal usage in both cases require extensive mixing which is a pain.

https://blog.cyber.fund/huge-ethereum-mixer-6cf98680ee6c

Bitcoin was the crypto of choice due to the network effect, although for now it is probably better to skip ethereum and skip right into somthings like XMR and Zcash.

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