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Is Rotten Tomatoes Killing the Movie Industry? No, Bad Movies Are

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Re: Is Rotten Tomatoes Killing the Movie Industry? No, Bad Movies Are

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Although RT tends to produce false positives for me, it is a reasonably reliable filter. If Hollywood is suffering, I'd look to the quality of its product. For example, marvel civil war is a false positive (for me). When I watch it, I can't get past the clipped, contrived dialogue, close-ups on faces, ham-fisted plots, inconceivably stupid action, schizophrenic scene changes, plastic cgi, and awkward obviously demogr…

It sounds like you've been going to the wrong movies, at least for your tastes. You seem to be exclusively seeing blockbusters. Maybe you'd prefer smaller, less action-focused films.

Eh, I love a good action movie, but it's hard to get into movies that you can't believe. I watched a very low rated one from the 80s the other day (https://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/blood_of_heroes/), and while it had very little plot, and the production value was incredibly low compared to recent movies, and just generally wasn't a very good movie, I enjoyed it more than the vast majority of very expensive recent blockbusters, because it felt real. They had real actors and real stunts. They moved like real people. And in that world, a 50 foot fall could kill them, rather than just cause them to touch a knee, so there was something at stake.

In a movie full of invincible people, who cares what happens? They'll be fine regardless.

I wish hollywood would get to making movies about real people.

Re: Is Rotten Tomatoes Killing the Movie Industry? No, Bad Movies Are

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post #89

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> A movie designed to do well on a RT score needs to please everyone. The end result is something that tries to be bland, uninteresting, and inoffensive. As an avid movie goer, that is a horrible result. I would much rather see a movie that takes risks and fails than something with little ambition outside turning a profit. I've just finished watching for the second time a non-bland and pretty-offensive (at least for…

>A movie designed to do well on a RT score needs to please everyone. The end result is something that tries to be bland, uninteresting, and inoffensive. This is demonstrably untrue. Here is a link (along the left column) of the top RT movies for each year from 2014-2016: https://www.rottentomatoes.com/top/ Sure there are some blockbusters, but there are also many excellent, interesting, engaging, even daring films li…

How does that demonstrate what I said wasn't true? My point wasn't that all movies are bad or that good movies don't score well on RT. My point was that RT doesn't incentivize good movies. It incentives average and risk-averse movies.

It is also worth noting that none of the movies you listed are targeted at wide audiences. The most successful of the list was a surprise hit in Mad Max and even that was just outside the 20 biggest movies of its respective year. The others probably didn't even end up in the top 50 of the year. If you look at the top box office draws you will find the kind of movies I am talking about.

Re: Is Rotten Tomatoes Killing the Movie Industry? No, Bad Movies Are

#113
Part of this includes giving all my favorite series to JJ Abrams to turn into charmless, box ticked, nostalgia milked, super polished hollow 'visual experiences'. The grit, the charm, the lovable clumsy parts, and most of all originality are all missing.

Re: Is Rotten Tomatoes Killing the Movie Industry? No, Bad Movies Are

#114

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Most of the dud movies are broken at the script and actor selection phase. Nothing kills a movie quite like a bad script. You can pair up a lot of very similar winners and losers and see that the key difference is the script. Compare for example Baywatch and 22 Jump Street. Both rehashed Gen-X era TV shows about good-looking people. 22 Jump Street was smart, self-aware, and successful. Since few bombs do have good…

What about the second part of the line you quoted? What do you think about actor selection? One of my favorite things is seeing a movie with an actor that I'm not familiar with and being blown away by their performance. Some big actors (like Tom Cruise) I never quite forget that I'm watching Tom Cruise act and that takes away something from the experience. Gary Oldman is a counter example. He's so good that I often d…

I poked around some best and worst box office lists before writing my comment and couldn't get much of a sense of how casting impacts things. I can't think of a lot of movies offhand that failed because of poor cast choices that didn't also have other problems. Likewise I don't know many that succeeded in spite of them (except for horror films, where cast seems to be relatively unimportant).

My impression is that there are so many people who want to act that it's a buyer's market and most films can afford good enough talent.

From what I saw, by a very large margin, the largest signal of what leads to success in films is familiarity. Almost every winner in the past decade was a sequel, remake, or part of a larger cinematic universe.

Re: Is Rotten Tomatoes Killing the Movie Industry? No, Bad Movies Are

#115
Hollywood just has 2 hours- and in those two hours cant win against the great novel story tellers of our times- tv-series. So they made it rollercoaster rides - filled with sfx and instant soup stories. Which just is not the value, people now are used too. The irony is that rick and morty like animated series show- that you can squeeze incredibble stories into the smallest format. You just have to be willing to risk it. But hollywoods movies have become to big to whale.

Re: Is Rotten Tomatoes Killing the Movie Industry? No, Bad Movies Are

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post #32

I often wonder if movies will simply occupy a niche market in the future. I wonder that about a lot of industries. Appealing to huge demographics with excellent movies would certainly be more profitable, but what if the current status quo of rehashing comic books over and over again is profitable enough ? That's certainly a safer bet. Monster truck rallies cater to a small subset of society, and they're probably not…

I suspect that the division between "movies" and "television" will start to dissapear. As television continues to shift from TV to online video on demand, it will face less and less pressure to divide itself into 22 or 44 minute episodes. Further, the notion of paying for add free shows online appears to be tenable. We are also seeing Netflix release entire seasons at once.

Re: Is Rotten Tomatoes Killing the Movie Industry? No, Bad Movies Are

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Hollywood movies are getting objectively worse, and there's a good reason for it. The market is global now - the North American box office is just a vehicle for pricing deals when the international rights are sold. So they have to make movies that appeal to the global lowest common denominator. No witty or understated dialog. No cultural signifiers that might be missed by someone from another culture. All the money a…

> So they have to make movies that appeal to the global lowest common denominator No, they think that they have to do this, but they are demonstrably wrong, as proven by e.g. the "surprise" success of a movie like "Get Out" (which is really excellent, BTW) which breaks all of those rules and makes a ton of money because people can still recognize a good movie even though Hollywood generally can't.

That movie illustrates my point, though. Domestic box office for Get Out was $175m with foreign receipts coming in at just $77m.

Compare that to Guardians of the Galaxy, with domestic box office of $333m and foreign box office of $440m. They made more money outside the US than in, with China topping the totals.

Sure, you can still make money with a movie aimed at the domestic audience, but you can make a lot more money with one that isn't.

Re: Is Rotten Tomatoes Killing the Movie Industry? No, Bad Movies Are

#119

Although RT tends to produce false positives for me, it is a reasonably reliable filter. If Hollywood is suffering, I'd look to the quality of its product. For example, marvel civil war is a false positive (for me). When I watch it, I can't get past the clipped, contrived dialogue, close-ups on faces, ham-fisted plots, inconceivably stupid action, schizophrenic scene changes, plastic cgi, and awkward obviously demogr…

It sounds like you've been going to the wrong movies, at least for your tastes. You seem to be exclusively seeing blockbusters. Maybe you'd prefer smaller, less action-focused films.

The thing I find crazy is that in 2017 $20M movies with B-list names are getting picked up as "independent". Ridley Scott's name shows up on IFC movies now; It Follows had an excellent ROI compared to most "blockbuster"; Get Out was a sold-out hit with audiences and critics... but it's all just a blip compared to the latest Transformers or DC or Marvel franchise shit-show.

A few millenia from now archaelogists and historians will be pontificating about Hollywood the way we do about the Pyramids.

Re: Is Rotten Tomatoes Killing the Movie Industry? No, Bad Movies Are

#120
It seems to me that people are a lot harsher on movies now, less willing or able to suspend disbelief [1]. I see scathing assessments of sequels, but with examples of the imagined problems being problems that have reasonably close equivalents in their predecessors which no one had a problem with when those were released.

Here's a concrete example: probably the most commonly cited 'problem' I hear about Prometheus is that near the end of the movie the heroine "tried to run away from a wheel in a straight line", and therefore it is a bad movie. The general criticism I take from this is not that she took the reasonable general action (running away) but the specific course she took (running in a straight line so the wheel just followed, and not noticing it was following).

The thing is, I think that both the main previous movies in the series, Alien and Aliens, have comparable incidents which no one complains about.

In Alien, near the end of the movie when she was the sole remaining survivor, we had Ripley delaying her escape in the shuttle in order to scuttle the ship - an entirely pointless action. If her plan of escape in the shuttle had worked, it wouldn't matter whether the alien were still alive. What did she think it would do, learn how to fly the Nostromo and pursue her? Scuttling the ship both increased her risk of dying at the alien's hands (it could have easily snuck up on her when she was engrossed in the scuttling procedure), and also nearly caught her in the explosion.

In Aliens, we had Ripley delaying her escape with Newt from the processing plant in order to exterminate the room full of eggs which posed no immediate threat to her (especially those still in the egg sac). Further to this, she did not bother to spend even one bullet or grenade on the queen herself. Ripley expended virtually all of her ammunition on this task, not reserving any to cover her retreat, and she apparently did not bother packing a spare magazine despite being given the resources of a fully-stocked armoury when she was preparing to go get Newt. If she had not exterminated the eggs (pointless, given the impending explosion) the queen would not have had reason to personally follow her and cause all the subsequent grief. Needless to say, those problems could also have been averted by simply shooting the queen along with or instead of the eggs. Again, no one complains about this.

Note that I am not complaining about the above aspects of Alien or Aliens. I love both those movies, and think the examples I gave above are nit-picking. The thing is, I think the criticism of Prometheus is also nit-picking, and directly comparable.

My tentative hypothesis for this recent nit-picking is that, unlike the earlier movies which were from a pre-internet era, it is easy for people to congregate in online communities to pick apart inconsistencies in movies they were personally disappointed in, and then anyone who looks at discussions of a movie they just saw will read all of this stuff they might have otherwise just overlooked. Further to the particular example I chose above, lots of people were disappointed with Prometheus particularly because it was not what they wanted: another formulaic Alien or Aliens movie, so that gave them extra incentive to pick it apart.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suspension_of_disbelief

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