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Is Rotten Tomatoes Killing the Movie Industry? No, Bad Movies Are

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Re: Is Rotten Tomatoes Killing the Movie Industry? No, Bad Movies Are

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post #21

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Eh ? Just stop buying tickets for those movies then.

"I am a movie critic by trade, and until recently, I got paid to tell you people which movies merely stink and which ones you shouldn’t screen near an open flame. Well, I’m putting the burden of lousy movies back on you. It’s very simple: if you stop going to bad movies, they’ll stop making bad movies. If the movie used to be a TV show, just don’t go. After Roman numeral II, give it a rest. If it's a remake of a clas…

There needs to be a term for this delusion - conflating a few people who clamor for something with "people" at large.

"IT'S up to YOU! Change your politicians! Vote with your wallet! Demand better movies/industries/X!" is a horseshit response that conveniently tries to forget that these industries and ecosystems follow a lowest-common-denominator majority, so all the "clamor" and attention-to-personal-choice in the world does nothing except accomplish some fringe action at the margins.

The only "people" listening to you at that point are those who recognize the frustration of dealing with that world, so it's healthier to engage in a substantiative dialogue about what can be done from those margins to renew widespread interest in the actual change you want than to resign with some holier-than-thou tirade to them regarding "the people" who aren't even listening.

Re: Is Rotten Tomatoes Killing the Movie Industry? No, Bad Movies Are

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post #24

I once plotted the TSPDT Top 1000 movies by year. That's an all-time ranking voted by critics. The distribution plot peaks around the 1970s and declines since then. For one, post-war European cinema was really great and influenced the American industry. Now all major movies originate in the same place. The last fresh blood had come mostly from Latin America, Mexico in particular. And the place for experiments changed…

The movie industry has eras, marked by certain production styles. In Hollywood at least, the 1970s was the era of the auteur director. A wave of directors (and actors) who had apprenticed under the famed B-movie master Roger Corman came to power on the strength of a series of absolute masterpieces. It started with Easy Rider , which was shot on a very low budget, and received massive box office success and critical a…

The late 60s/70s were an exceptionally creative time. But you need relative economic security to take creative risks, and there's not much of that around at the moment.

Re: Is Rotten Tomatoes Killing the Movie Industry? No, Bad Movies Are

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Although RT tends to produce false positives for me, it is a reasonably reliable filter. If Hollywood is suffering, I'd look to the quality of its product.

For example, marvel civil war is a false positive (for me). When I watch it, I can't get past the clipped, contrived dialogue, close-ups on faces, ham-fisted plots, inconceivably stupid action, schizophrenic scene changes, plastic cgi, and awkward obviously demographically targeted identity fantasies.

But the movie Valerian and the city of a thousand planets, which was panned on RT, was in almost every way actually objectively worse than its well rated marvel counterpart. It was so bad it made me fill physically ill.

Through accumulated experience, I've found that RT, for me, is a reasonable predictor of "a very bad time." And even if its high ratings don't consistently predict a good time, they do predict relative enjoyability well.

I've had so many awful movie going experiences over the last twenty years of adulthood that I've more or less stopped going. I have a very hard time blaming a rating system. I'd look instead to very shallow, implausible scripting (punchy one-liners, hollow melodrama), lackluster cinematography (zoomed in facials, schizophrenic shot switching), repetitive and/or assinine plots (corporations are eeevil), weird editing and incoherent writing (random, poorly interjected side stories or comedy, bizarre scene shifts, prolonged melodrama), boring, implausible, drawn out action (ugh), predictable demographically targeted identity fantasies, and I don't know, the list goes on.

I know beyond certainty that I'm not the target audience, but I can't help but think people are increasingly demanding movies that repay rather than punish sustained attention, and I can't help but think that these qualities passively improve the commercial value of the Hollywood product.

Edit: grammar, removed repetition.

Re: Is Rotten Tomatoes Killing the Movie Industry? No, Bad Movies Are

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post #49

These type of articles never explore the potential results of the Rotten Tomatoes voting system. As the article mentions the RT rating is not a measure of how good a movie is, it is a measure of the percentage of people who viewed the movie positively. A 100% doesn't mean a movie is perfect or even particularly good, it means no one thought it was bad. A movie designed to do well on a RT score needs to please everyon…

>If you ask people why they don't go to the movies more they will often cite the idea that there is nothing new they haven't seen before I have literally never heard someone say this >(besides the complaints you hear about prices) Yup, there it is. But also, to watch a movie in the cinema I often have to sit in uncomfortably off-center chairs. I can't adjust the volume if I think it's too loud, I can't pause the movi…

spiderman wins

Re: Is Rotten Tomatoes Killing the Movie Industry? No, Bad Movies Are

#75
post #42

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Logan Lucky looked really good, vanished from theaters before I could see it. Baby Driver was very good. Dunkirk. And those are just the big productions.

I have seen baby driver, it was ok except large plot holes (especially around his girlfriend and boss behavior which made little sense to me by the end of movie). Dunkirk does not seem my thing, but I will check Logan, thanks.

The last few years have been a kind of mini-golden-age for low- to mid-budget horror, if that's your thing, and especially if you like your horror a little off-kilter. It Follows, The Babadook, The Conjuring (kind of a low-key superhero movie blended with very not-scary horror, in many ways, but well acted, plotted, paced, and put together), Train to Busan, You're Next, The Void. The new Evil Dead. Some others I'm sure I'm forgetting right now. I've heard Girl with all the Gifts and Get Out are excellent, but haven't seen them yet.

There are serious stinkers to avoid (It, Insidious series, many others) of course, so it's a bit of a minefield, but worth the effort if you enjoy that kind of thing.

Re: Is Rotten Tomatoes Killing the Movie Industry? No, Bad Movies Are

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post #25

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Examples?

Logan Lucky looked really good, vanished from theaters before I could see it. Baby Driver was very good. Dunkirk. And those are just the big productions.

Logan Lucky was good. One of those much more care was put into the making of this than had to be sorts of movies. Caught me way off guard at one point, which is rare for that sort of film. Didn't over-explain or signpost everything (see: catching me off guard). Solid flick.

Re: Is Rotten Tomatoes Killing the Movie Industry? No, Bad Movies Are

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post #62

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Logan Lucky looked really good, vanished from theaters before I could see it. Baby Driver was very good. Dunkirk. And those are just the big productions.

I skipped Dunkirk because a friend told me it was disappointing.

The full-sized IMAX screen helped (we have one of the very few here in Indy), but overall I found it to be quite good, particularly once I figured out the interleaving of the stories.

I'm also a sucker for movies that don't have a lot of dialog. Thanks Pixar!

Re: Is Rotten Tomatoes Killing the Movie Industry? No, Bad Movies Are

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The issue with movies is that they are constrained to a 2 hour window. There is only so much character development, nuancing and world building you can do in such a short time frame.

TV shows have hours upon hours to build up their story.

Another thing that bugs me is that directors keep reusing the same big shot actors, many of whom are not worth their price tag in my opinion. Acting isn't rocket science. With enough practice, any graduate from an acting school could do well. Why not try new blood more often? It would drive production costs down and add variety to casts. Straying away from the usual body models wouldn't hurt either. After seeing Tom Cruise lookalike #4, I would gladly welcome anything but a #5.

Re: Is Rotten Tomatoes Killing the Movie Industry? No, Bad Movies Are

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post #19

The movie industry doesn't seem to be able to figure out if a movie will be a dud up front. Most of the dud movies are broken at the script and actor selection phase. Maybe productions need to do a staged reading in front of an audience as a test before going into production. Perhaps with slides and sketches from the storyboard for the action. The CG people have their act together. When was the last time a big-budget…

I’ve just finished reading ‘Adventures in the screen trade’ by William Goldman, the guy who wrote ‘All The President’s Men’, Butch Cassidy & The Sundance Kid’ and ‘The Princess Diaries’.

While written in the early 80s, it’s thoroughly entertaining and very insightful as to how movies actually get made. His main point is that nobody knows anything. No one knows why one film was a hit and another wasn’t. So successful properies/stars/directors are milked for all they’re worth until suddenly they’re not.

Read the book, it’s great.

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