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Is Rotten Tomatoes Killing the Movie Industry? No, Bad Movies Are

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Re: Is Rotten Tomatoes Killing the Movie Industry? No, Bad Movies Are

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I think more than anything what we need is more movies made by low-budget places. I really don't want to see another sequel, redo, or comic book movie. It's just lazy on the part of the movie companies.

Eh ? Just stop buying tickets for those movies then.

"I am a movie critic by trade, and until recently, I got paid to tell you people which movies merely stink and which ones you shouldn’t screen near an open flame. Well, I’m putting the burden of lousy movies back on you. It’s very simple: if you stop going to bad movies, they’ll stop making bad movies. If the movie used to be a TV show, just don’t go. After Roman numeral II, give it a rest. If it's a remake of a classic, rent the classic. Tell them you want stories about people, not a hundred million dollars of stunts and explosives. People, it’s up to you. If the movie stinks, just don’t go."

- The Critic

Re: Is Rotten Tomatoes Killing the Movie Industry? No, Bad Movies Are

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post #17

I once plotted the TSPDT Top 1000 movies by year. That's an all-time ranking voted by critics. The distribution plot peaks around the 1970s and declines since then. For one, post-war European cinema was really great and influenced the American industry. Now all major movies originate in the same place. The last fresh blood had come mostly from Latin America, Mexico in particular. And the place for experiments changed…

Do they limit it only to contemporary impressions of the films, or do they let the idea that something is a "classic" cloud it?

It's an aggregate of lists created by critics, so there's certainly bias towards older films.

Re: Is Rotten Tomatoes Killing the Movie Industry? No, Bad Movies Are

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A flip side to this... is Rotten Tomatoes boosting movies that would otherwise be ignored, by virtue of excellent ratings?

I'm thinking specifically of Hidden Figures here. Who would ever have thought that we'd see a Star Wars movie (Rogue One) booted out of the #1 spot by a movie about black women doing math?

(This is in no way a criticism of either movie, btw. I loved both of them and consider them high-water marks of recent cinema.)

Re: Is Rotten Tomatoes Killing the Movie Industry? No, Bad Movies Are

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I once plotted the TSPDT Top 1000 movies by year. That's an all-time ranking voted by critics. The distribution plot peaks around the 1970s and declines since then. For one, post-war European cinema was really great and influenced the American industry. Now all major movies originate in the same place. The last fresh blood had come mostly from Latin America, Mexico in particular. And the place for experiments changed…

The movie industry has eras, marked by certain production styles. In Hollywood at least, the 1970s was the era of the auteur director. A wave of directors (and actors) who had apprenticed under the famed B-movie master Roger Corman came to power on the strength of a series of absolute masterpieces. It started with Easy Rider, which was shot on a very low budget, and received massive box office success and critical acclaim. It ended with Heaven's Gate, an outrageously expensive disaster that has never even been properly released (I've seen one of the medium-length edits of it, and yes, it stinks).

The real end of the New Hollywood era, though, was the release of Star Wars in 1977. It paved the way for the sci-fi/fantasy blockbuster. It turned into a successful trilogy, and overlapped team-wise with Spielberg's fantastically successful Raiders of the Lost Ark. Hollywood, and movie fans, lost interest in the more intellectual fare of New Hollywood, in favor of kid-friendly, cross-marketing-friendly entertainment.

So it's not surprising that there was a dropoff in critical darlings after the 1970s. Movies got a lot worse - they really did. Even directors who carried on the New Hollywood traditions, like David Lynch and the Coen brothers, couldn't see the kind of success the 1970s directors had.

Of course, before the New Hollywood era, Hollywood kinda stunk, big expensive extravaganzas. Critical attention then turns to the French New Wave, and other post-WWII European film with small budgets and big emotional punches (who makes a movie like Wages of Fear these days?).

I wonder how our current era will fare? I'm thinking about the sort of epic-story serialization that the Marvel franchise and the reinvigorated Star Wars franchise is doing. How will that be viewed?

Re: Is Rotten Tomatoes Killing the Movie Industry? No, Bad Movies Are

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I would go to see movie, if there would movie that I would be interested to see. Crickets,nothing, just sameness I have already seen hundreds times or comics/star wars or other old franchise I never cared about.

There's lots of good movies out, are they not showing anywhere near you?

Examples?

Re: Is Rotten Tomatoes Killing the Movie Industry? No, Bad Movies Are

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post #3

Thing is, the ratings are irrelevant. Someone is paying to see these movies, else executives wouldn't approving them to be made. It's all about money, and brainless, rehashed, sequel nonsense makes tons of it. You want someone to blame? Blame the public. It's not Rotten Tomatoes or the Movie Industry. The latter is giving everyone exactly what they want. In response to below. The Mummy made $403,814,493 with a 16% !!…

I thought The Mummy was pretty good. I mean, it didn't change my life, but as an action/adventure type I liked it as much as the typical superhero or whatever movie.

Re: Is Rotten Tomatoes Killing the Movie Industry? No, Bad Movies Are

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post #4

I think more than anything what we need is more movies made by low-budget places. I really don't want to see another sequel, redo, or comic book movie. It's just lazy on the part of the movie companies.

I agree, but this exists to a significant extent already (though more would be great) - it's a really, really good time to be into low-budget indie flicks.

The problem is that your local multiplex is not going to be showing independent films, nor are they going to be blasting marketing cranked up to 11 on all channels, so it's much harder to hear about them, and in some cases, much harder to see them period.

But the scene is alive and well - I've gotten a lot more into over the past year or so, and have really enjoyed it. The accessibility is poor in some places (in the middle of Manhattan is pretty great), but absolutely worth it.

I find IMDB and Metacritic to give pretty solid coverage of these films, so that alleviates some of the discoverability problems.

If you have small theaters near you, please patronize them - better yet, convince a group to go regularly. They need the business, and I think you'll find a lot of worthy films.

Re: Is Rotten Tomatoes Killing the Movie Industry? No, Bad Movies Are

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post #19

The movie industry doesn't seem to be able to figure out if a movie will be a dud up front. Most of the dud movies are broken at the script and actor selection phase. Maybe productions need to do a staged reading in front of an audience as a test before going into production. Perhaps with slides and sketches from the storyboard for the action. The CG people have their act together. When was the last time a big-budget…

Movie development is already a hugely involved drawn-out process. Arguably it's already too focused on what the audience wants.

And for all the talk about data-driven decisions, it looks to me as if Amazon and Netflix are increasingly shifting to throw a lot of stuff against the wall and see what sticks themselves. Nothing wrong with that necessarily. It's basically how VCs work :-)

Re: Is Rotten Tomatoes Killing the Movie Industry? No, Bad Movies Are

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post #9
post #4

I think more than anything what we need is more movies made by low-budget places. I really don't want to see another sequel, redo, or comic book movie. It's just lazy on the part of the movie companies.

> I really don't want to see another sequel, redo, or comic book movie. Well millions and millions of other people do, so why should the movie companies cater to you instead?

If those people do, why are the studio executives complaining? Perhaps it's because "Ticket revenue was down at least 12 percent, and ticket sales were at their lowest point for the season in 10 years. Audiences did not want to see remakes of old TV shows (bad news for Baywatch and CHIPS). They did not want to see badly reviewed franchise entries (the take for the latest Transformers installment was way down)."[1] (linked from the article).

[1]: http://www.philly.com/philly/entertainment/movies/dunkirk-gi...

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