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.Cat Domain a Casualty in Catalonian Independence Crackdown
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Re: .Cat Domain a Casualty in Catalonian Independence Crackdown
#22Earlier quoted context omitted.
Not about the referendum, but about what happened last days: https://elpais.com/elpais/2017/09/20/inenglish/1505917320_78...
That article is excellent. It explains pretty well the lies of the rebel regional government.
the article is severely biased
To be fair, it is very difficult to find unbiased and knowledgeable people writing about this. It is best to not rely on only one kind of source if you want to form an opinion.
Re: .Cat Domain a Casualty in Catalonian Independence Crackdown
#23The .cat domain was seized because the organization in charge of the domain IGNORED the orders issued by a JUDGE. So saying: > "If such content is unlawful, a court order directed to the publisher or host of that content is the appropriate way for authorities to deal with that illegality, rather than the blanket removal of entire domains from the Internet." Is simply put, bulshit. A court ordered taking down illegal…
"Never forget that everything Hitler did in Germany was legal" - Martin Luther King, Jr.
Hyperbole much?
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#24Also, the didn't government didn't ruled the referendum illegal a constitutional COURT did it. And the detentions and search were ordered by a JUDGE from Barcelona that not long ago was awarded by the same Catalan government that now is criticizing him. Please read this to know the facts: https://elpais.com/elpais/2017/09/20/inenglish/1505917320_78...
A court is an arm of the Kingdom of Spain, and a judge is a Kingdom employee. In US parlance, where the EFF is based, we would say the court is an arm of the government, and the judge is a government employee, thus this is a government action.
In European parlance, 'the government' often means the currently in-power group of legislative representatives, which causes much confusion in the US when we hear 'a new government was formed in X', or 'the government will be dissolved in Y'.
Re: .Cat Domain a Casualty in Catalonian Independence Crackdown
#25.cat domains work properly, e.g. http://www.elperiodico.cat (tested from Barcelona) TL;DR: if you break the law, expect to get punished. The operators knew they were breaking the law, so involved sites in that domain were blocked. I.e. not a ".cat" generic blockage, but a specific action driven from a court.
Did you even read the article? Or did you just jerk-reply in an effort to criticize people or the movement? > First, the content in question here is essentially political speech, which the European Court of Human Rights has ruled as deserving of a higher level of protection than some other forms of speech. Even though the speech concerns a referendum that has been ruled illegal, the speech does not in itself pose any…
In the broad sense of the word, yes, it is censorship. But I do not think it falls under political speech.
The content blocked is content being announced by an official entity (Generalitat) containing information about the unilateral organization of a referendum. The Generalitat as an official organism needs to abide by the existing constitutional laws. The judge as initial measure, has dictated to retrieve all official material with information regarding the organization of the referendum. No other pages from dotCAT have been seized, including unofficial ones with information about the referendum.
The EFF should also take into account that the Generalitat has unlawfully obtained private information from millions of citizens in order to be able to create a list of possible voters.
Re: .Cat Domain a Casualty in Catalonian Independence Crackdown
#26The .cat domain was seized because the organization in charge of the domain IGNORED the orders issued by a JUDGE. So saying: > "If such content is unlawful, a court order directed to the publisher or host of that content is the appropriate way for authorities to deal with that illegality, rather than the blanket removal of entire domains from the Internet." Is simply put, bulshit. A court ordered taking down illegal…
> The .cat domain was seized because the organization in charge of the domain IGNORED the orders issued by a JUDGE.
What orders ignored? Do you have any link to newspapers?
And, by the way, PuntCAT is a TLD register, they don't host any site.
Do you know other case where the TLD registar has been seized? Domains are blocked via ISP's, the publisher or the hosting.
Re: .Cat Domain a Casualty in Catalonian Independence Crackdown
#27Earlier quoted context omitted.
Not about the referendum, but about what happened last days: https://elpais.com/elpais/2017/09/20/inenglish/1505917320_78...
A newspaper that's biased against independence doesn't sound like a very good source. Unless you are fine with the clear bias, of course.
ElPais, as most of newspapers in Spain have a position regarding the celebration of the referendum, and they have been very biased before with other information, but in this case the content is spot-on.
That said, the law is just a tool used by the people to live peacefully in a society. If people are not happy about it, the law needs to be changed.
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#28Earlier quoted context omitted.
> What the Spanish government did is considered censorship under any reasonable system of law. That's simply put... bulshit, I'm far from supporting the ultra right wing catholic goverment from Madrid, but spreading plain lies to victimize yourself doesn't make them true.
Could you elaborate why it is bullshit? Parent's comment seems to be a very good point. Is he factually incorrect? How?
To start, the judiciary isn't part of the Spanish government, it's an independent branch like Congress. Like in most or all western countries. These actions have been taken by the order of Catalan judges.
If someone thinks the laws the judges are interpreting are unconstitutional, or against European treaties, they can denounce those laws against the Spanish Constitutional Court, or the appropriate European court.
If they think the interpretation is what's flawed, they can appeal and / or denounce the judges to the Spanish Supreme Court. If the argument would become that the judiciary is corrupt and owned by the Government, from the Barcelona courts all the way up to the Supreme Court; it should be remembered that the Spanish Supreme Court sentenced a Ministro del Interior (like Secretary of State, the de-facto most powerful position after the President) to 10 years in prison.
Re: .Cat Domain a Casualty in Catalonian Independence Crackdown
#29.cat domains work properly, e.g. http://www.elperiodico.cat (tested from Barcelona) TL;DR: if you break the law, expect to get punished. The operators knew they were breaking the law, so involved sites in that domain were blocked. I.e. not a ".cat" generic blockage, but a specific action driven from a court.
How is TLD having a domain name registered breaking the law?
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#30Earlier quoted context omitted.
Did you even read the article? Or did you just jerk-reply in an effort to criticize people or the movement? > First, the content in question here is essentially political speech, which the European Court of Human Rights has ruled as deserving of a higher level of protection than some other forms of speech. Even though the speech concerns a referendum that has been ruled illegal, the speech does not in itself pose any…
It was not political speech: the blocked site included private information of citizens (census), without permission. You can not use your power as regional government to ignore the Constitution. In addition, the web is now hosted in another domain, against the law, not because of "free speech", but because of using protected private information from citizens: https://onvotar.garantiespelreferendum.com/on-votar/index.…
Bullshit, then block the domain, not seize the TLD registar.
This is a very dangerous precedent
And yes, I think that the CONTENT is ilegal and I would denunce it if my data is there, but the TLD has nothing to do with that