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Re: .Cat Domain a Casualty in Catalonian Independence Crackdown

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Post by pera »

fabianmg wrote: post #7
pera wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I am trying to follow the situation in Catalonia, and I have one question: Is any kind of publication (done by private citizens) about the referendum actually illegal in Spain? Thanks.

Not about the referendum, but about what happened last days: https://elpais.com/elpais/2017/09/20/inenglish/1505917320_78...

That seems to be in reference to the referendum website operated by the local government (http://www.referendum.cat/), but I read several reports of private citizens with no affiliation with Catalonia's govt being raided by the police just for mirroring websites.

Re: .Cat Domain a Casualty in Catalonian Independence Crackdown

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Post by snakeanus »

fabianmg wrote: post #8

The .cat domain was seized because the organization in charge of the domain IGNORED the orders issued by a JUDGE. So saying: > "If such content is unlawful, a court order directed to the publisher or host of that content is the appropriate way for authorities to deal with that illegality, rather than the blanket removal of entire domains from the Internet." Is simply put, bulshit. A court ordered taking down illegal…

DNS servers do not have "illegal calls" (read: thoughtcrimes) for the independence of any country. These are served by the server that the DNS points to and only on the request of the client.

Re: .Cat Domain a Casualty in Catalonian Independence Crackdown

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Post by kuschku »

fabianmg wrote: post #10
princekolt wrote: post #3

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Did you even read the article? Or did you just jerk-reply in an effort to criticize people or the movement? > First, the content in question here is essentially political speech, which the European Court of Human Rights has ruled as deserving of a higher level of protection than some other forms of speech. Even though the speech concerns a referendum that has been ruled illegal, the speech does not in itself pose any…

There's a system of law in Spain, is called the constitution. And the unilateral call for seccession or doing a referendum not allowed by the constitution or the courts is not allowed in any democracy. I'm in favor of a referendum so the catalans can decide if they want to be in Spain or not. But I'm not in favor of a unilateral decision.

That’s not an option, the rules of the European Convention on Human Rights – which protect this - stand above the spanish constitution.

I expect this will go further up to the European Court of Human Rights, and, like in previous cases where for example German law (and constitutional changes) conflicted with these protections, the European Convention on Human Rights will be ruled to stand above any national law or constitution.

Re: .Cat Domain a Casualty in Catalonian Independence Crackdown

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Post by faragon »

princekolt wrote: post #3
faragon wrote: post #2

.cat domains work properly, e.g. http://www.elperiodico.cat (tested from Barcelona) TL;DR: if you break the law, expect to get punished. The operators knew they were breaking the law, so involved sites in that domain were blocked. I.e. not a ".cat" generic blockage, but a specific action driven from a court.

Did you even read the article? Or did you just jerk-reply in an effort to criticize people or the movement? > First, the content in question here is essentially political speech, which the European Court of Human Rights has ruled as deserving of a higher level of protection than some other forms of speech. Even though the speech concerns a referendum that has been ruled illegal, the speech does not in itself pose any…

It was not political speech: the blocked site included private information of citizens (census), without permission. You can not use your power as regional government to ignore the Constitution.

In addition, the web is now hosted in another domain, against the law, not because of "free speech", but because of using protected private information from citizens: https://onvotar.garantiespelreferendum.com/on-votar/index.ht...

This is not about "free speech", but about the sublevation of a regional government, against the rule of law, i.e. against citizen's rights.

Re: .Cat Domain a Casualty in Catalonian Independence Crackdown

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Post by darthdev »

pera wrote: post #5
faragon wrote: post #2

.cat domains work properly, e.g. http://www.elperiodico.cat (tested from Barcelona) TL;DR: if you break the law, expect to get punished. The operators knew they were breaking the law, so involved sites in that domain were blocked. I.e. not a ".cat" generic blockage, but a specific action driven from a court.

I am trying to follow the situation in Catalonia, and I have one question: Is any kind of publication (done by private citizens) about the referendum actually illegal in Spain? Thanks.

No. It is though illegal that a public institution (using of course public founds from ALL Spaniards) promote in any way an illegal action. The Spanish term is "prevaricación" (perversion of justice), is commonly used when a public servant use his power to make knowingly an illegal action.

Note: This is what I read recently regarding this issue, but I am not a law expert, so take this with a grain of salt.

Edit: typos.

Re: .Cat Domain a Casualty in Catalonian Independence Crackdown

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Post by faragon »

fabianmg wrote: post #7
pera wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I am trying to follow the situation in Catalonia, and I have one question: Is any kind of publication (done by private citizens) about the referendum actually illegal in Spain? Thanks.

Not about the referendum, but about what happened last days: https://elpais.com/elpais/2017/09/20/inenglish/1505917320_78...

That article is excellent. It explains pretty well the lies of the rebel regional government.

Re: .Cat Domain a Casualty in Catalonian Independence Crackdown

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Post by antaviana »

fabianmg wrote: post #8

The .cat domain was seized because the organization in charge of the domain IGNORED the orders issued by a JUDGE. So saying: > "If such content is unlawful, a court order directed to the publisher or host of that content is the appropriate way for authorities to deal with that illegality, rather than the blanket removal of entire domains from the Internet." Is simply put, bulshit. A court ordered taking down illegal…

"Never forget that everything Hitler did in Germany was legal" - Martin Luther King, Jr.

Re: .Cat Domain a Casualty in Catalonian Independence Crackdown

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Post by faragon »

pera wrote: post #11
fabianmg wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not about the referendum, but about what happened last days: https://elpais.com/elpais/2017/09/20/inenglish/1505917320_78...

That seems to be in reference to the referendum website operated by the local government ( http://www.referendum.cat/ ), but I read several reports of private citizens with no affiliation with Catalonia's govt being raided by the police just for mirroring websites.

It is mirrored, without problem: https://onvotar.garantiespelreferendum.com/on-votar/index.ht...

I don't know if the EFF is aware that the site has citizen personal information without permission. Who protects us as citizens against rebel regional government putting online private information against the rule of law?

Re: .Cat Domain a Casualty in Catalonian Independence Crackdown

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Post by BugsJustFindMe »

Before anyone goes rushing off to make sure that their favorite (nyan?) .cat domain is still up:

> ... .cat domains not connected with the October 1 referendum (including eff.cat, EFF's little-known Catalan language website) have not been affected.

A more accurate title might have been "Individual .cat domains promoting sedition casualties in...", which is not what it currently seems like it means.

Re: .Cat Domain a Casualty in Catalonian Independence Crackdown

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Post by cosarara97 »

fabianmg wrote: post #7
pera wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I am trying to follow the situation in Catalonia, and I have one question: Is any kind of publication (done by private citizens) about the referendum actually illegal in Spain? Thanks.

Not about the referendum, but about what happened last days: https://elpais.com/elpais/2017/09/20/inenglish/1505917320_78...

A newspaper that's biased against independence doesn't sound like a very good source. Unless you are fine with the clear bias, of course.
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