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Re: Google Pixelbook Is Google’s New Chromebook

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Post by ionised »

diebir wrote: post #120
j7ake wrote: post #40

Cool dev machine but for 1200 dollars I want to be able to run Microsoft office when people send me documents without asking them to reformat and also edit and modify images with standard software when necessary. In a collaborative world it is not worth the pain to pay 1200 and not be able to work with people who do not code. Chrome books are acceptable at the 200 dollar price point (I have one that dual boots archli…

Wow, who uses Office these days? I thought everyone has migrated to the cloud docs. Have not seen a Office file in years now...

I don't know anyone who doesn't use Office in some way.

Re: Google Pixelbook Is Google’s New Chromebook

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Post by slezyr »

bubblethink wrote: post #91

Is there any real technical reason to have soldered RAM and storage ? A well built $1200 linux laptop would still be OK if it weren't artificially gimped. M.2 ssds are already quite thin. So the form factor argument doesn't hold. The storage markup on these devices is huge considering that a 1 TB nvme pcie m.2 ssd goes for under $350 (even less during sales).

Don't think there is any reason for than.

Xiaomi Notebook Air 12.5 has two M.2 slots. But still a soldered RAM.

Re: Google Pixelbook Is Google’s New Chromebook

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Post by criddell »

isr wrote: post #168
criddell wrote: post #100

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What do you mean a Macbook can't run Linux? macOS is a Unix. As for Windows it works great in either a VM or dual boot. I know people that have bought a Mac because they can (legally) run more software than any other computer.

Well, by the same token ChromeOS is a linux distro. And in dev mode, you get access to a bash shell, full root access, and a spare vt (so you can run xorg, etc). So you can install anything you like. Rendering your original complaint moot.

What token are you talking about? If I build an user land application on top of ChromeOS, can I directly call functions exposed by the Linux kernel in the standard way? If so, then ChromeOS may indeed be a Linux distro.

macOS is a Unix because it's certified as such by The Open Group. It's built on top of the XNU kernel and is POSIX compliant.

> Rendering your original complaint moot

I had a complaint?

Re: Google Pixelbook Is Google’s New Chromebook

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Post by chx »

nickjj wrote: post #93
chx wrote: post #80

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Very important observation: this article links to a M.2 2242 SSD with 64-512GB capacity and there seems to be ample stock on Amazon.com. This is important because the second SSD on the ThinkPad T470 and consequently the ThinkPad Anniversary 25 can only be a 2242 one and they are a major PITA to find. While some 2242 drives were broken for a few months it has been fixed a week ago https://forums.lenovo.com/t5/ThinkPad…

Surprisingly enough, the keyboard on the Toshiba is really good. I think I even type faster on it than my desktop keyboard. Trackpad is a different story (I guess it's average but I suck with trackpads in general because I rarely use it). I feel like it takes me 10 seconds to select text with a trackpad when I could do it in like 1 second with a mouse. Watching me use a trackpad is easily comparable to an ape trying…

Try convincing a Tesla owner to give it up for a Yugo before trying to convince a classic ThinkPad zealot -- someone with a six year old ThinkPad T420s, who kept it because of the superior keyboard -- to give it up for some random keyboard and no TrackPoint.

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Post by RussianCow »

IntelMiner wrote: post #145
RussianCow wrote: post #137

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> 8GB memory Is this actually accurate? I'm on the Dell website[1] and all the Chromebook models seem to only have 4GB. Or am I looking at the wrong product? [1]: http://www.dell.com/en-us/work/shop/dell-laptops-and-noteboo...

This should be the one you're after http://www.dell.com/en-us/work/shop/cty/pdp/spd/chromebook-1... It's specifically the "Dell 7310" model Chromebook

Got it, thanks!

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Post by danjoc »

PeachPlum wrote: post #121
danjoc wrote: post #114

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>So if something goes wrong with machine 1 day after your warranty runs out, you're probably SoL. https://9to5google.com/2016/12/09/google-pixel-screen-peelin... You're pretty SoL when it's brand new too, evidently.

Are your customer protection laws super weak ? In the UK I would have gone to the local Trading Standards Office. Seems all people in the US can do is complain on websites and hope someone online-famous enough takes up their cause.

>Are your customer protection laws super weak ?

Yes. The same companies also fight right to repair laws. It's frequently illegal to repair the broken thing yourself.

Re: Google Pixelbook Is Google’s New Chromebook

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Post by danjoc »

isr wrote: post #166
danjoc wrote: post #112

Terrible design; $99 pen with no place to stow it. Apple style price jacking for storage; $1199-128GB, $1399-256GB, $1749-512. I don't see this hardware line going anywhere either. I won't be surprised if the pen requires charging like Crapple. Samsung has better offering with Plus/Pro at less than half the price. Why did Google let the guy who rekt Moto run Pixel and Nexus into the ground? This is terrible.

In the absence of specs, we're all guessing here. That said, I would (err) guess that the more expensive versions also have more RAM and bigger CPU's. We'll see when the actual models are trotted out ...

The specs are widely available. This is chromebook Eve. It is very overpriced.

Re: Google Pixelbook Is Google’s New Chromebook

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Post by isr »

danjoc wrote: post #177
isr wrote: post #166

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In the absence of specs, we're all guessing here. That said, I would (err) guess that the more expensive versions also have more RAM and bigger CPU's. We'll see when the actual models are trotted out ...

The specs are widely available. This is chromebook Eve. It is very overpriced.

Unless I missed something, we have different price points for 3 different models, but apart from storage capacity, no mention of other spec diffs between these models.

So we don't know if these models also have increasing ram, or more powerful cpu's, in addition to the extra on-board storage.

Until we get the full specs of all the models.

Which is why ascribing the price increases solely to the increased storage size is, well, silly.

If you have these "widely available" specs showing what exactly is different across the 3 models, then spill the beans. Otherwise ...

Re: Google Pixelbook Is Google’s New Chromebook

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Post by isr »

criddell wrote: post #173
isr wrote: post #168

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well, by the same token ChromeOS is a linux distro. And in dev mode, you get access to a bash shell, full root access, and a spare vt (so you can run xorg, etc). So you can install anything you like. Rendering your original complaint moot.

What token are you talking about? If I build an user land application on top of ChromeOS, can I directly call functions exposed by the Linux kernel in the standard way? If so, then ChromeOS may indeed be a Linux distro. macOS is a Unix because it's certified as such by The Open Group. It's built on top of the XNU kernel and is POSIX compliant. > Rendering your original complaint moot I had a complaint?

> If I build an user land application on top of ChromeOS, can I directly call functions exposed by the Linux kernel in the standard way? If so, then ChromeOS may indeed be a Linux distro.

Of course you can. There's no "may" about it. You seem rather unsure of what ChromeOS actually is.

Its just a linux distro. In fact, its much closer to more mainstream linux distro's than more exotic linux variants like android.

It has the linux kernel (duh!), but also glibc, gnu coreutils, bash - the whole shebang. In fact, the only thing (purposely) left out in standard mode is a terminal allowing you to run bash.

In dev-mode, that is given, so you then have terminal access to run bash, and automatic root access.

Nearly all linux pkgs will compile, install and run, "as is". In fact, there's even chromeos-specific package managers which cater to chromeos just as apt caters to debian, rpm to redhat, etc.

And google themselves give you a bash script which restores portage and installs various precompiled ebuilds.

Yes, ChromeOS is effectively a Gentoo Linux build.

Last I checked, gentoo allows you to "directly call functions exposed by the Linux kernel in the standard way" (but I've only been running gentoo since 2002, so what do I know?)

> certified as such by The Open Group

That may have been relevant in the 80's, but for over a generation, linux and/or the gnu suite has been the de-facto standard for what "unix" really is. Which is why most of the official "I've paid the open group their fee so that they can stamp me as official" unix distro's/os's have, in fact, a linux binary emulation layer.

Gnu-linux is basically the lingua-franca of the unix world. The only reason they never got this certification which some think is so important is ... because noone wanted to bother paying the subscription fee back in the 90's.

Thats it.

>> Rendering your original complaint moot > I had a complaint?

Hmm, looking back at this sub-thread, I guess thats more applicable directly to 'camus2'.

You were wading in on that side of the fence, which is why I hung my reply off of your comment. It pretty much applies to both of you.

Basically, he was saying "why bother with a chromebook, mac is 'proper' unix, and so can run lots of unixy stuff, in addition to chrome. Chromebooks can't".

Well, ChromeOS is also a proper unix, and can run lots (and lots, and lots) of unixy stuff, in addition to chrome - with the caveat that you have to put it into dev mode first.

Re: Google Pixelbook Is Google’s New Chromebook

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Post by ramses0 »

linsomniac wrote: post #103

I've just recently gotten OpenVPN and SSH working on my Chromebook and it is fairly decent, though with some limitations that make me wonder who is really paying $1,100 and up for a Chromebook... I got one of those crazy HP 13 chromebooks, a Pixel-level device that at the time a few months ago was really the only available option more recent than the Pixel. I ended up finding it on Woot for $520, instead of nearly a…

I have the same one. It's been great w/ crouton (although crouton chromium is noticeably slower than chrome from the "native" os). It's a great, slim beast for $500, I paid the higher price to get it earlier as my primary "home" laptop, and I love it. It's bridging me quite nicely until apple either zigs or zags on their laptop line.
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