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Re: iOS 11 reviewed

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Post by 24gttghh »

zwily wrote: post #114
darthbanane wrote: post #22

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It feels like they’re trying to educate me as a user that switching wifi off to save battery is not super smart. It’s true, the difference is minuscule at best (20-30 minutes of battery life) but maybe I want to micromanage to get these 20 minutes. Or because I am concerned about privacy. My take is that if you want to “educate” users on how best to use a feature you must leave them the freedom to do it wrong (depend…

You can turn on airplane mode to turn off all radios, then turn on the radios you want on if you really want to micromanage.

You cannot enable airplane mode and then proceed to enable the cellular radio without first disabling airplane mode. At least you can't on an SE.

Re: iOS 11 reviewed

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Post by irrational »

fasquoika wrote: post #107
sgift wrote: post #58

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Your comment reminds me of a time when the same was said about Microsoft. It will be interesting to see when/if Apple falls the same way MS did.

>if Apple falls the same way MS did Are we thinking of the same MS?

What MS are you thinking of? Back in the day (I'm thinking 20 years ago), anything MS said was law. They had the power to destroy all other browsers so we were left with just IE6 for so many years. MS no longer has that kind of power. They can no longer dictate the technological landscape like they used to be able to do. Now the landscape is dictated by standards and consensus set forth by Google, Facebook, Apple, MS, etc.

Re: iOS 11 reviewed

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Post by r0ze-at-hn »

CJefferson wrote: post #88
ohfouroneone wrote: post #15

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It's not that games from 2009 don't run, only games that haven't been updated since 2009 don't run. All a developer needs to do is recompile and push an update.

I made a game in 2009, it was quite popular, got a bunch of positive reviews, I gave it away for free. I had to keep giving Apple £100/year just to let people keep downloading the game for free. At some point I tried recompiling it for a newer iOS, and I get hundreds of message about depricated APIs that I had to change to get it accepted by Apple. Instead I let it drop. I can't even put a copy online for people to d…

If your interested seeing it continue to run and are up for selling it message me. I buy old ios apps that still trickle in a small amount of sales and keep them running.

Re: iOS 11 reviewed

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Post by scarface74 »

masklinn wrote: post #69
scarface74 wrote: post #35

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The problem is not that you can't play phone games from 2009 on your 2017 iPhone, tying 32b deprecation to a hardware revision would actually have been nice (regardless of the hardware still being able to run in 32b mode). The latest processor doesn't support 32 bit code. All 64 bit phones can support the latest OS. Why should Apple waste time, resources, and space on the device to support 32 bit code?

> The latest processor doesn't support 32 bit code. Don't they, though? I've seen a few people assert that, but no hard facts yet. > Why should Apple waste time, resources, and space on the device to support 32 bit code? Because users paid good money for 32b applications and phones which could run them at the time, and this is going to hold back users updating on iOS.

Yes and I also paid good money for my Apple // software, my 68K Mac software and my PPC Mac software. How far back should Apple go supporting older platforms?

Re: iOS 11 reviewed

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Post by scarface74 »

0x0 wrote: post #89
scarface74 wrote: post #35

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The problem is not that you can't play phone games from 2009 on your 2017 iPhone, tying 32b deprecation to a hardware revision would actually have been nice (regardless of the hardware still being able to run in 32b mode). The latest processor doesn't support 32 bit code. All 64 bit phones can support the latest OS. Why should Apple waste time, resources, and space on the device to support 32 bit code?

They could offer 32bit app support as an optional download, just like how 32bit Windows 10 still offers the 16bit NTVDM and MS-DOS support as an optional install on demand. Really sucks to lose 32bit support for legacy apps that used to work, especially when it might be a companion app for hardware/equipment that cost much more than the iPhone X (like your car).

Do you realize how many security vulnerabilities have been found in Windows caused by supporting legacy apps?

I have some 32 bit apps that already don't work with newer versions of iOS.

Re: iOS 11 reviewed

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Post by irrational »

darthbanane wrote: post #8

Review is not thorough. One huge change in the control center is that the wifi “toggle” doesn’t toggle wifi off anymore (wait what?). It just disconnects from the current network and doesn’t reconnect for a minute or so. If you don’t want to be tracked by wifi APs it seems you have to force touch settings into wifi and disable the adapter from there. Huge step backwards IMHO.

Is there some sort of interface element that indicates when a setting can use force touch? Or does a user just have to do a long hold on everything to find out what does and doesn't accept force touch?

Re: iOS 11 reviewed

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Post by dingaling »

developer2 wrote: post #90
darthbanane wrote: post #22

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It feels like they’re trying to educate me as a user that switching wifi off to save battery is not super smart. It’s true, the difference is minuscule at best (20-30 minutes of battery life) but maybe I want to micromanage to get these 20 minutes. Or because I am concerned about privacy. My take is that if you want to “educate” users on how best to use a feature you must leave them the freedom to do it wrong (depend…

Turning off Wifi is not something anyone - whether average or intermediate user - should be needing to do on a frequent basis. Airplane mode already takes care of the primary use case, namely disabling all radios. Someone intending to disable Wifi "temporarily" and then forgetting to re-enable it may wind up paying hundreds of dollars for cellular data. That goes against the "it just works" mentality, which is "Wifi…

> There's no real reason outside of developer testing to ever disable Wifi.

When I go for a ramble or cycle in the countryside there's no point having Wifi enabled for four or five hours with no APs within several kilometres, so I disable it.

Likewise I disable Bluetooth and GPS when not needed. Being a 'good RF citizen'.

Re: iOS 11 reviewed

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Post by swift »

oneeyedpigeon wrote: post #103
masklinn wrote: post #67

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> Devil's advocate: you don't have to install iOS 11 on your four-year-old iPhone. That is in fact my plan, but is nonetheless frustrating.

The typical lifetime of an iPhone is so short, I can imagine that Apple will one day save themselves a lot of pain and cost and just limit each iOS release to a single phone / ipad release.

That's not accurate. I keep my iPhones for two years, and when I upgrade I give them to family members who have always gotten another 2-3 years of use out of them. (And Apple has continued to support them during that time with software updates.)

It's actually one of the main things that keeps me in the iPhone ecosystem.

Re: iOS 11 reviewed

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Post by zwily »

24gttghh wrote: post #121
zwily wrote: post #114

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You can turn on airplane mode to turn off all radios, then turn on the radios you want on if you really want to micromanage.

You cannot enable airplane mode and then proceed to enable the cellular radio without first disabling airplane mode. At least you can't on an SE.

Ah, you're right. The other option is force-touching the Settings icon... but the SE doesn't have force-touch, I believe.
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