iOS 11 reviewed • Hacker News Board

Re: iOS 11 reviewed

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Post by mikeash » Tue, Sep 19, 2017, 2:20 PM UTC

jonathanbull wrote: post #9

walterbell wrote: post #3

No VPN button in Control Center? Do Apple employees use public wi-fi?

VPNs are configured in Settings->General. Any reason why that would need to be regularly toggled, out of interest?

I haven't used it in a while, but when I did, it wasn't very good at reconnecting after sleeping the device or switching networks.

Re: iOS 11 reviewed

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Post by JBReefer » Tue, Sep 19, 2017, 2:24 PM UTC

cm2187 wrote: post #5

Also be aware that iOS 11 seems to be incompatible with Windows Server 2016. Seems to be an http2 implementation problem.

In what way? That seems like an extremely serious problem, given how many LOB apps run on Windows Server.

Re: iOS 11 reviewed

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Post by kawsper » Tue, Sep 19, 2017, 2:25 PM UTC

There is one thing I hope they that they fix in iOS, and that is to guide app-makers to understand bilingual users, I type a lot on both danish and english, and having to switch language in the keyboard for every conversation can get pretty tiresome.

Luckily both iMessage and WhatsApp seems to support it now, so I hope they somehow can get other apps in on it. Telegram does not support this :/

Re: iOS 11 reviewed

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Post by Crontab » Tue, Sep 19, 2017, 2:27 PM UTC

darthbanane wrote: post #8

Review is not thorough. One huge change in the control center is that the wifi “toggle” doesn’t toggle wifi off anymore (wait what?). It just disconnects from the current network and doesn’t reconnect for a minute or so. If you don’t want to be tracked by wifi APs it seems you have to force touch settings into wifi and disable the adapter from there. Huge step backwards IMHO.

Agreed. That's bad and a lot of people will expect the old functionality.

Re: iOS 11 reviewed

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Post by ohfouroneone » Tue, Sep 19, 2017, 2:31 PM UTC

masklinn wrote: post #4

> Practically speaking, do I need to be able to play phone games from 2009 on my 2017 iPhone? Not really. The problem is not that you can't play phone games from 2009 on your 2017 iPhone, tying 32b deprecation to a hardware revision would actually have been nice (regardless of the hardware still being able to run in 32b mode). But that's not what's happening, the problem is that you can't play phone games from 2009 o…

It's not that games from 2009 don't run, only games that haven't been updated since 2009 don't run. All a developer needs to do is recompile and push an update.

Re: iOS 11 reviewed

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Post by zimpenfish » Tue, Sep 19, 2017, 2:31 PM UTC

jonathanbull wrote: post #9

walterbell wrote: post #3

No VPN button in Control Center? Do Apple employees use public wi-fi?

VPNs are configured in Settings->General. Any reason why that would need to be regularly toggled, out of interest?

I know a few people who use it a lot and toggle it based on where they are. However those people definitely aren't your average consumer types. I'd imagine probably 90% of iOS users don't even know it has a VPN toggle.

(I don't use it on cellular, do use it on insecure wifi, don't use it on some secure wifis depending on who controls it, never use it at home/parents/etc. Some days that's 4/5 toggles.)

Re: iOS 11 reviewed

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Post by jandrese » Tue, Sep 19, 2017, 2:32 PM UTC

jonathanbull wrote: post #9

walterbell wrote: post #3

No VPN button in Control Center? Do Apple employees use public wi-fi?

VPNs are configured in Settings->General. Any reason why that would need to be regularly toggled, out of interest?

Typically for turning it back on when it failed to automatically connect, again.

Re: iOS 11 reviewed

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Post by tammer » Tue, Sep 19, 2017, 2:32 PM UTC

darthbanane wrote: post #8

Review is not thorough. One huge change in the control center is that the wifi “toggle” doesn’t toggle wifi off anymore (wait what?). It just disconnects from the current network and doesn’t reconnect for a minute or so. If you don’t want to be tracked by wifi APs it seems you have to force touch settings into wifi and disable the adapter from there. Huge step backwards IMHO.

Eh it sounds to me that this is a great quick fix for the "I'm slightly too far from the AP to have bandwidth but I'm still maintaining a connection" problem I have almost daily. Will make an obscure security concern you've identified slightly more difficult to deal with. If you don't prefer trade offs like this, Apple likely isn't the best digital provider for you.

Re: iOS 11 reviewed

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Post by _kush » Tue, Sep 19, 2017, 2:32 PM UTC

darthbanane wrote: post #8

Review is not thorough. One huge change in the control center is that the wifi “toggle” doesn’t toggle wifi off anymore (wait what?). It just disconnects from the current network and doesn’t reconnect for a minute or so. If you don’t want to be tracked by wifi APs it seems you have to force touch settings into wifi and disable the adapter from there. Huge step backwards IMHO.

The same is true for the Bluetooth toggle. It just turns it off for any new connections.

Re: iOS 11 reviewed

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Post by RKearney » Tue, Sep 19, 2017, 2:33 PM UTC

mikeash wrote: post #10

masklinn wrote: post #4

> Practically speaking, do I need to be able to play phone games from 2009 on my 2017 iPhone? Not really. The problem is not that you can't play phone games from 2009 on your 2017 iPhone, tying 32b deprecation to a hardware revision would actually have been nice (regardless of the hardware still being able to run in 32b mode). But that's not what's happening, the problem is that you can't play phone games from 2009 o…

And not only does the upgrade semi-arbitrarily make old apps stop working, it's impossible to go back.

Apple is still signing 10.3.3, so it's not impossible to go back (yet).