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Gut Germs Appear to Play Role in Multiple Sclerosis

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Re: Gut Germs Appear to Play Role in Multiple Sclerosis

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I've recently watched a ton of Ted talks on the subject (thank you, autoplay), so you can call me a proper internet know-it-all. The consensus seems to be: nobody knows, but the SAD certainly is not the right answer. As diverse as you can get and as little processed as you stand seem to be popular ideas too. Dropping sugar and milk seem commonly recommended, but they can pry my ice-cream from my cold, dead fingers.

Small amounts of animal protein and lots of raw greens and vegetables, tubers and roots. Everything else is extra. Be careful though about making any specific recommendations here or else someone with a different idea will attack you for not backing it up with scientific data. Because you shouldn't try to figure out what to eat until you get a PhD.

There's a difference between trying to figure out what to eat and advertising that you have figured out what to eat.

Re: Gut Germs Appear to Play Role in Multiple Sclerosis

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Bacteriophages lost out to antibiotics in the 1950s. Designing bacteriophages for specific microbes is fairly straight forward so you could design a probiotic loaded with good bacteria to be delivered with a bacteriophage against bad bacteria to quickly adjust the microbiome ecology towards a desired state. The nice thing is that bacteriophages are dietary supplements so you don't need drug approval (unless cure clai…

I think this story was shared on HN a couple months ago about phages. Didn't sound that straightforward : http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/us_5913414de4b05e1ca203f7d4/a...

Re: Gut Germs Appear to Play Role in Multiple Sclerosis

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Small amounts of animal protein and lots of raw greens and vegetables, tubers and roots. Everything else is extra. Be careful though about making any specific recommendations here or else someone with a different idea will attack you for not backing it up with scientific data. Because you shouldn't try to figure out what to eat until you get a PhD.

What’s the value in raw vs cooked vegetables? I thought cooking makes their nutrients more bio-available. Do you really eat tubers raw? I can't imagine eating a potato raw. Our ancestors even always cooked them.

Yeah, this books makes the case against raw diets very well:

https://www.amazon.com/Catching-Fire-Cooking-Made-Human/dp/0...

That's the thing with diets. There is a real well reasoned argument for and against most anything...

Re: Gut Germs Appear to Play Role in Multiple Sclerosis

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>I managed to get my eczema under control by learning about the relationship between gut, food, inflammation, and auto-immunity. And what did you do? Everyone seems to agree that dietary changes are the answer. What exact seems to vary.

What to do varies because human bodies, environment, and gut bacteria composition varies. It's more than diet. Inflammation due to lack of sleep, stress, or smoking is also a huge factor. That said, the biggest factor for me was eliminating dairy. I used to drink more than a gallon of milk a week. I saw results after about two weeks of eliminating dairy. My dermatologist was shocked. She refused to believe there's an…

I didn't change my diet, and my eczema cleared up.

And I've always ate a lot of dairy. I've also eaten a lot of gluten. Actually, I seek out gluten now that it's taboo.

It's really no wonder we need to put every theory into a well controlled, double blind study, in a country that has the highest integrity/ethics.

Re: Gut Germs Appear to Play Role in Multiple Sclerosis

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Small amounts of animal protein and lots of raw greens and vegetables, tubers and roots. Everything else is extra. Be careful though about making any specific recommendations here or else someone with a different idea will attack you for not backing it up with scientific data. Because you shouldn't try to figure out what to eat until you get a PhD.

There's a difference between trying to figure out what to eat and advertising that you have figured out what to eat.

Your implication is that nothing should ever be suggested without scientific references and footnotes. That is just absurd in the extreme. Do you do search the journals before teaching your kid to wipe his ass? Do you really think that diet is any different from any other thing that we do several times a day for our entire lives?

Re: Gut Germs Appear to Play Role in Multiple Sclerosis

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Small amounts of animal protein and lots of raw greens and vegetables, tubers and roots. Everything else is extra. Be careful though about making any specific recommendations here or else someone with a different idea will attack you for not backing it up with scientific data. Because you shouldn't try to figure out what to eat until you get a PhD.

What’s the value in raw vs cooked vegetables? I thought cooking makes their nutrients more bio-available. Do you really eat tubers raw? I can't imagine eating a potato raw. Our ancestors even always cooked them.

My opinion:

A little cooking is good for making things more digestible. Overcooking depletes nutrients.

I tend to like things like stir fry or similar high heat, short cook time approaches.

(No, I will not try to back this up with citations.)

Re: Gut Germs Appear to Play Role in Multiple Sclerosis

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

What’s the value in raw vs cooked vegetables? I thought cooking makes their nutrients more bio-available. Do you really eat tubers raw? I can't imagine eating a potato raw. Our ancestors even always cooked them.

Yeah, this books makes the case against raw diets very well: https://www.amazon.com/Catching-Fire-Cooking-Made-Human/dp/0... That's the thing with diets. There is a real well reasoned argument for and against most anything...

You're the 4th or 5th person to recommend this book to me. Guess I have to read it now :)
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