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W3C abandons consensus, standardizes DRM, EFF resigns

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Re: W3C abandons consensus, standardizes DRM, EFF resigns

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Post by Sargos »

Crespyl wrote: post #245
rimliu wrote: post #185

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There was a bunch of proprietary plugins before EME was even on the horizon.

And we were finally killing them off with the death of Flash, Java Plug-In, and Silverlight, and the adoption of HTML5.

I don't think that's true. EME exists -because- we started getting rid of Flash, Java, Silverlight etc due to their security issues. There needed to be something to replace those proprietary plugins or else some of the largest websites on the internet would just break with no way to fix them.

EME is the standardized version of the needed functionality from those obsolete plugins.

Re: W3C abandons consensus, standardizes DRM, EFF resigns

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Post by nebabyte »

Osmium wrote: post #230

I am so mixed about this. In principle, this is a terrible idea, and I share many of the concerns in this thread -- I am not a fan of DRM. But as a consumer/end-user, I'd much prefer a standard DRM over Flash/Silverlight any day of the week. The real question is how we get rid of DRM in the long term. Piracy isn't going away. Hopefully content owners will one day realize the economic cost of implementing DRM isn't wo…

> The real question is how we get rid of DRM in the long term

And your answer is "embrace it in the short term"?

It's this 'give them an inch' bullshit that's been fucking the consumer in the ass for countless years.

> Hopefully content owners will one day realize the economic cost of implementing DRM isn't worth its return

"Maybe if we wish on marshmallows and rainbows, this statement will come true this time!"

> I imagine it might take some years for them to realize this however

Search for the first time that was uttered, then look at the calendar.

Re: W3C abandons consensus, standardizes DRM, EFF resigns

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Post by nucleardog »

nebabyte wrote: post #279
vkou wrote: post #94

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Great, I'm sure the enterprises on the W3C who voted for this will jump on board. Oh, you mean I can't get Netflix on the forked internet? Welp, back to mainline.

"Mainline web: 0-rated DRMed Netflix if you pay ever-more exorbitant prices for our increasingly tiered package deals that make you try and remember the joy of 'cutting the cord'" "Alternative web: Some competition without DRM, zero-rating, or other nonneutrality bullshit" You go ahead and stick with your Netflix, buddy, and best of luck to ya. American ISPs and legal precedent are all of course bought up by the inte…

Your assertion that standardizing DRM forces everyone to use it makes about as much sense as the assertion that teaching teenagers about condoms will make them all have sex.

Re: W3C abandons consensus, standardizes DRM, EFF resigns

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Post by prophesi »

throwaway613834 wrote: post #236
prophesi wrote: post #196

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sure. Search for a recent videogame on pirate bay, download a youtube-to-mp3 browser extension, get the calibre DeDRM plugin. Or, if you really want to understand my point, download and learn how to use a disassembler. For the casual law-abiding user, it succeeds in making it harder to save/distribute. For everyone else, it's only a matter of time before the DRM is broken.

First and foremost that depends on the content being popular. For example there's a ~30-minute video I paid for on Amazon Videos that I would love to have a copy of so that I don't need an Amazon account and internet access just to play the video, but I can't. Why? Because of their DRM and the fact that I can't find it anywhere else. (Admittedly I haven't directly searched on piracy sites since I'm not into that sort…

Just run a screen recorder next time you're online. (Trivial) Problem solved.

Re: W3C abandons consensus, standardizes DRM, EFF resigns

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Post by nebabyte »

5_minutes wrote: post #20

Who is this director exactly that forced this on one-sidedly? I guess he got something out of this. What a disgrace.

Taking a leaf from the DNC playbook. "Who cares about democracy when all you really need is a few agents capable of unilateral action in the private sector" and all that.

Fucking fantastic.

Re: W3C abandons consensus, standardizes DRM, EFF resigns

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Post by kibwen »

wolfgke wrote: post #216
sgift wrote: post #207

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And what's your solution (proposal) for the problem they faced?

> And what's your solution (proposal) for the problem they faced? Make the zero-tolerance for DRM a unique selling point of Firefox.

Firefox is, AFAIK, the only browser vendor that decouples the EME module from the browser, allowing the browser to be downloaded without any DRM support at all. See the various "EME-free" directories here: http://download.cdn.mozilla.net/pub/firefox/releases/55.0/

Re: W3C abandons consensus, standardizes DRM, EFF resigns

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Post by wolfgke »

sp332 wrote: post #297
wolfgke wrote: post #237

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> If they didn't fold, they'd just lose more users to other browsers. They rather lost a unique selling point. Not implementing EME/DRM is a form of protection of the user against malware.

They make EME-free builds. e.g. http://download.cdn.mozilla.net/pub/firefox/releases/55.0/

> They make EME-free builds. e.g. http://download.cdn.mozilla.net/pub/firefox/releases/55.0/

A well-hidden build of Firefox to silence the people who accuse the Mozilla Foundation of betraying their principles...

Re: W3C abandons consensus, standardizes DRM, EFF resigns

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Post by sigi45 »

I think i don't get it.

A company called Microsoft builds a software which is able to render html. This company makes money and talks to another company called google which also is making money by selling movies and stuff and which builds a software which is able to render html. And those two companies are talking to a third huge company, who makes a shit ton of money and also makes a software which is able to render html.

All those _companies_ decided together, that they still are using some form of drm and want to standardize it, to make it easier for there consumers.

Now a few people, who are using the software from those companies thought this code is written for free and without strings attached?

I mean i do understand the risk but still i'm surfing around and use my software, written by companies, to surf primarily on company sites and not for surfing on other private pages.

Even linux and other free software is written, primarly by people who get there money from companies right?

I don't think that DRM would be gone if no EME exists.

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