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W3C abandons consensus, standardizes DRM, EFF resigns

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Re: W3C abandons consensus, standardizes DRM, EFF resigns

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> Cryptogtaphically speaking, Honestly, this might be why people aren't on the same wavelength. They're not cryptographically speaking.

Cryptography allows Alice to share a secret with Bob without Carol listening in. In DRM, Alice and Carol are the same person .

I'm not sure if that's correct or not, but either way, that's in complete agreement with what I just said: they are not speaking in terms of cryptography.

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I think the author of such a plugin would be at considerable legal risk.

If they where in the US.

Lots of this stuff is so US focused. Any European nation for one will let you reverse engineer stuff you buy or download to your own heart's content in the safety of your own home. I expect many countries in the world are civilized like that.

Re: W3C abandons consensus, standardizes DRM, EFF resigns

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> Mozilla ended up accepting EME in 2014, because otherwise it would have become "the browser where you cannot see videos" Rather: "the browser where you cannot see DRM-infected video" - which is an active protection of the user against malware.

...and which no-one will download. To be clear: if DRM is not implemented in browsers, Netflix and the like will just make native apps, which are far larger vectors of malware attack than the locked down EME standard is. I'm not saying this is a good thing, but "people should just not watch DRMed video" is not an actual answer to the problem at hand.

So you claim that Firefox (and other browsers) should implement malware or a malware interface into their browser so that users don't have a reason to download and install some other malware?

Re: W3C abandons consensus, standardizes DRM, EFF resigns

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Why would they do that? Are you assuming these companies will want to block Linux users out of some random, malicious spite?

But don't get me wrong, I'd love to see your optimism come true here.

This does not add to the conversation. But it makes me giggle. And I'm not really a Linux user...

I'm assuming you are? And trying to foment a revolution? If I'm wrong see the first sentence.

Re: W3C abandons consensus, standardizes DRM, EFF resigns

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Shame, shame, shame. We're losing the internet day by day, if we haven't done so already. I've seen people and posts here and there calling for attention on these issues, but imho it's all too subtle. We should start using harsher terminology for what's actually happening. This is flat out CORRUPTION, and I'm not seeing anyone express it as such. It's probably too late already, and unfortunately, this is merely a ref…

Do you have any evidence or reason to believe there is actual corruption on the committee (aside from them making a decision you disagree with)? I suspect I agree with you on DRM but this style of debate, where there is no attempt to argue or explain the issue, and the first line of argument is personal attacks or denigrating anyone with an opposing viewpoint, is depressing. Consider that accusing climate scientists…

The parent comment is not the first line of argument, it's the continuation of a years-long argument. Even if you completely ignore the history, the first line of argument is found in the article, not the comments. If you would like to understand the fundamentals of this debate, this comment section is not the right place to start. It's very easy to find arguments and proposals from all sides of the issue elsewhere.

Re: W3C abandons consensus, standardizes DRM, EFF resigns

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If they didn't fold, they'd just lose more users to other browsers. Sometimes it's wise to retreat or lose a battle to stay in the fight.

> If they didn't fold, they'd just lose more users to other browsers. They rather lost a unique selling point. Not implementing EME/DRM is a form of protection of the user against malware.

It is opt-in AFAIK.

Re: W3C abandons consensus, standardizes DRM, EFF resigns

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post #234

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For me it's the other way around. Netflix is on the other side? Cancel 'em.

If you want a text-only web, with no major content producers on it, you already have that. Just disable your browser's multimedia plugins. Or use Lynx, or some other browser of the 90s. The open parts of the web will still work. Anyways, Netflix, Google, Apple, and Microsoft (probably - they aren't making their votes public) support this, so this is a great time to cancel your subscriptions and stop using their produ…

> If you want a text-only web, with no major content producers on it, you already have that.

And that (the web as it is) is exactly what I want. And I want that the media companies who cannot accept that the web is free of DRM to stay away from it.

Re: W3C abandons consensus, standardizes DRM, EFF resigns

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> They were the only browser to represent the users in this fight. They were folding, too.

If they didn't fold, they'd just lose more users to other browsers. Sometimes it's wise to retreat or lose a battle to stay in the fight.

And they implemented it as strictly opt in (they ask before installing it), and fully user controlled:

"Firefox downloads and enables the Google Widevine CDM on demand, with user permission, to give users a smooth experience on sites that require DRM. The CDM runs in a separate container called a sandbox and you will be notified when a CDM is in use. You can also disable a CDM and opt out of future updates by following the steps below. Once you disable a CDM, however, sites using this type of DRM may not operate properly."

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